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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:35 PM
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i'm convinced. 9/11 was a conspiracy.


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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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i was gonna post a pic.... but it has too many profanities for this forum's filter.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:40 PM
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jesus christ this thread exploded
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:40 PM
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i was gonna post a pic.... but it has too many profanities for this forum's filter.
just post a link... and add nsw
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by subaruwrx
Eluding - verb - slip: the act of avoiding capture (especially by cunning)

Alluding - verb - To refer to something indirectly or by suggestion; to have
reference to a subject not specifically and plainly
mentioned;
Oh damn I am SO BUSTED! Are there any more slip-ups like that? Let me know.

By the way, judging by the same scale and the mis-use of one word in all of the text I have typed in here, are you saying that irrational x's posts are completely invalid due to his lack of correct word usage and spelling issues? Because it seems like you just clicked "submit reply" on yet another useless post. I do not understand how you expect things like this to make your point.

Anyway - gonna run for a bit. Talk to you all soon.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by wombatsauce
Oh damn I am SO BUSTED! Are there any more slip-ups like that? Let me know.

By the way, judging by the same scale and the mis-use of one word in all of the text I have typed in here, are you saying that irrational x's posts are completely invalid due to his lack of correct word usage and spelling issues? Because it seems like you just clicked "submit reply" on yet another useless post. I do not understand how you expect things like this to make your point.

Anyway - gonna run for a bit. Talk to you all soon.
Are you kidding? There is no reasoning with truthers so these are all useless posts.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:45 PM
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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:46 PM
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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wombatsauce
Makes sense. My question regarding the magnesium was in regards to you stating the magnesium played a part in the fire, and then backing that up by providing a link that states, in general, that magnesium is used in aircraft manufacture, but nothing whatsoever specific to the actual model of aircraft. It's not about how much magnesium, it's about throwing out baseless comments without backing them up and then accusing others of the same. I cannot imagine that this needs to be explained further.
Article below follows the different development cycles of Aluminum Alloys (containing magnesium) from the early 1900's to the present.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejou.../20392061.html
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?re...d=5070&page=26

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Oooooh now come the insults! These are pretty weak by the way, and I recommend proof-reading whilst trying to knock people for English comprehension.
i feel no need to proof read. i'm doing 3 different things at once. however, its a valid question since, despite being presented with many sources of information to read, have shown no indication that you may have absorbed any of the information within them.

Originally Posted by wombatsauce
Basically it sounds like you are saying your speculation is not speculation since you went to Embry-Riddle. Did you graduate? Not that it matters of course. Seems pretty much to me that making conjectural comments based on assumptions without actual specific data is quite akin to if not actually speculation. Regardless of how smart or qualified you say you are.
to be flat, you are wrong or merely misinterpreting.

what i am espousing it isn't based on speculation because i'm posting factual evidence presented by experts. honestly? i believe there is allot of strange **** that happened on 9/11 but that doesn't mean i'm going to believe the first ridiculous theory that comes along. while ERAU made me much mroe capable of understanding the various components of a scenario like 9/11 it doesn't mean i am 100% correct...

Occum's Razor once again.

I am merely offering a simpler, more likely account of the event backed up by actual data.


Originally Posted by wombatsauce
Commenting about what the temperatures may have been in the basement and what they could have done is absolutely insane since you do not have actual data from the incident. Or do you? All kinds of things "could have" happened!
basement fire temp data was measured several different ways after the incident (probe and IR). the numbers are pretty accurate. in fact, recovery efforts were called off temporarily as they were worried the fire could weekend the pile and cause a shifting of debris. basement fire data was included in the 9/11 commission report IIRC, ill bust out my hard copy when i get home.

if using modern technology to measure temperature is "insane", then call me crazy and give me leeches.




if you want to get into pentagon attack conspiracies i'm all over it... there was definitely happening that has not been completely disclosed. same with flight 93.... the incidents in NYC can, however, be explained in a multidude of engineering expressions. the volume of data colelcted that day and after the fact is so overwhelming we will probab ly never know what happened EXACTLY....

but if you take a step back tis pretty strait forward... planes hit, fires, steel weekend, fell over.

done.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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To those who have a hard time waking up and seeing for the truth themselves, it's very easy to understand why. By admitting to yourself that there might exist another answer to these 9/11 events clearly undermines everything you already believe in.

Nevertheless, inside jobs have occurred throughout history over and over, yet the lack of nationalism and identity in the U.S. makes the public much less responsive to the events in politics, but rather indulged in their own lives, careers, and well being. This creates an environment that is less prone to rallies, demonstrations, and more so revolutions. Try these politics in Europe, we'll all be counting days until cars start getting overturned. People are awake there, and only because they have an understanding of history (US History goes back what, 200 years?) that they question the governing body and it's decisions.

It's easy to be ignorant. And that's exactly what "they" are banking on.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Calsoldier
To those who have a hard time waking up and seeing for the truth themselves, it's very easy to understand why. By admitting to yourself that there might exist another answer to these 9/11 events clearly undermines everything you already believe in.

Nevertheless, inside jobs have occurred throughout history over and over, yet the lack of nationalism and identity in the U.S. makes the public much less responsive to the events in politics, but rather indulged in their own lives, careers, and well being. This creates an environment that is less prone to rallies, demonstrations, and more so revolutions. Try these politics in Europe, we'll all be counting days until cars start getting overturned. People are awake there, and only because they have an understanding of history (US History goes back what, 200 years?) that they question the governing body and it's decisions.

It's easy to be ignorant. And that's exactly what "they" are banking on.
even so, you are ignoring the major flaw in a conspiracy of this size.... the number of people. WaterGate, Blowjobgate, WhiteWater... someone always talked or F'd up and there were far fewer people involved in those incidents than would be required to pull off an operation of this scale.

face it... some angry Muslims ****ed us up. in NYC at least.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by irrational x
even so, you are ignoring the major flaw in a conspiracy of this size.... the number of people. WaterGate, Blowjobgate, WhiteWater... someone always talked or F'd up and there were far fewer people involved in those incidents than would be required to pull off an operation of this scale.

face it... some angry Muslims ****ed us up. in NYC at least.
Those things take time to come out, and they will. The angry "muslims" (generalization, er?) might have been there, but we allowed them to accomplish this. It is much more plausible that there has been US involvement in the attack vs. a group of uneducated, horribly funded, untrained gaggle of terrorists developed such a scheme.

There is no point in arguing. You already know where I stand, and for one I will not be budged by someone's opinions over the internet. All I was stating earlier is that people should think for themselves and instead of stepping on the path of becoming an NWO sheep.

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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Calsoldier
Those things take time to come out, and they will. The angry "muslims" (generalization, er?) might have been there, but allowed them to accomplish this. It is much more plausible that there has been US involvement in the attack vs. a group of uneducated, horribly funded, untrained gaggle of terrorists developed such a scheme.

There is no point in arguing. You already know where I stand, and for one I will not be budged by someone's opinions over the internet. All I was stating earlier is that people should think for themselves and instead of stepping on the path of becoming an NWO sheep.
speaking of generalizations about the "uneducated, horribly funded, untrained gaggle of terrorists"...

"From 1968 to 1976 he attended the "élite" secular Al-Thager Model School.[10] Bin Laden studied economics and business administration[11] at King Abdulaziz University. Some reports suggest bin Laden earned a degree in civil engineering in 1979,[12] or a degree in public administration in 1981.[13] Other sources describe him as having left university during his third year,[14] never completing a college degree, though "hard working.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_b..._personal_life

"Atta studied architecture at Cairo University, and went to Hamburg, Germany in 1992 to continue his studies at the Technical University of Hamburg"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta

"Atef served two years in the Egyptian Air Force and became an agricultural engineer"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Atef

"In the 9/11 Commission Report, it is estimated that al-Qaeda requires $30,000,000 USD per year to conduct its operations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaed...tion_structure



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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by irrational x
speaking of generalizations about the "uneducated, horribly funded, untrained gaggle of terrorists"...

"From 1968 to 1976 he attended the "élite" secular Al-Thager Model School.[10] Bin Laden studied economics and business administration[11] at King Abdulaziz University. Some reports suggest bin Laden earned a degree in civil engineering in 1979,[12] or a degree in public administration in 1981.[13] Other sources describe him as having left university during his third year,[14] never completing a college degree, though "hard working.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_b..._personal_life

"Atta studied architecture at Cairo University, and went to Hamburg, Germany in 1992 to continue his studies at the Technical University of Hamburg"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta

"Atef served two years in the Egyptian Air Force and became an agricultural engineer"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Atef

"In the 9/11 Commission Report, it is estimated that al-Qaeda requires $30,000,000 USD per year to conduct its operations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaed...tion_structure



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That's assuming any of those people had anything to do with this. I can pick out 1,000 more people like them and throw them under the bus for the Fed to scrutinize, but that doesn't mean that they were involved.



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