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But denying history in which thousand (or millions) of people lost their lives is tantamount to spitting on their graves.
What you think in your own mind is fine - but once you cross that line to throwing it out for the pubic it becomes disgraceful.
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Match = Zippo = what now? I have also watched someone toss a lit match into a bucket of diesel and it fizzled and went out. Alternatively you can make a pretty hefty explosion out of a teaspoon of gasoline and a gallon paint thinner can but what does this prove? Yep - absolutely nothing at all. Cool story though!
), but all he did was share an anecdote that wasnt intended to mock the OP, and just share his real life experience with explosives. he never said the op was crazy or stupid.
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magnesium used in aircraft
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/Insigh...tentId=1680496
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2600070/...-IN-AEROSPACE-
Magnesium temperature while burning (note that magnesium burns at roughly the same temperature that thermite reacts)
http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity..../thermite.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...l1YLxrmUkLHbVQ
Melting point of steel and steel beams used in construction
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-82351657.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel
http://books.google.com/books?id=a8j...esult&resnum=4
So, as you can see, the materials in the building and in the aircraft could easily have created fires hot enough and burn with enough duration to melt steel (at least to the point of causing them to soften and collapse, if not melt).
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/Insigh...tentId=1680496
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2600070/...-IN-AEROSPACE-
Magnesium temperature while burning (note that magnesium burns at roughly the same temperature that thermite reacts)
http://encyclopedia.stateuniversity..../thermite.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...l1YLxrmUkLHbVQ
Melting point of steel and steel beams used in construction
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-82351657.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel
http://books.google.com/books?id=a8j...esult&resnum=4
So, as you can see, the materials in the building and in the aircraft could easily have created fires hot enough and burn with enough duration to melt steel (at least to the point of causing them to soften and collapse, if not melt).
lol i thought this was going to be an intelligent conversation...lets here some good opinions backed up with accurate facts...wasn't the thread about the twin towers and a possible conspiracy?
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Match = Zippo = what now? I have also watched someone toss a lit match into a bucket of diesel and it fizzled and went out. Alternatively you can make a pretty hefty explosion out of a teaspoon of gasoline and a gallon paint thinner can but what does this prove? Yep - absolutely nothing at all. Cool story though!
And while it does prove, IMHO, that an aircraft full of jet fuel, has enough energy to destroy a building.
Magnesium:
Incendiary use: Magnesium is flammable, burning at a temperature of approximately 2500 K (2200 °C, 4000 °F), and the autoignition temperature of magnesium is approximately 744 K (473 °C, 883 °F) in air.
Like Jet A-1, Jet A has a fairly high flash point of 38 °C (100 °F), with an autoignition temperature of 210 °C (410 °F).
Here's some information on Structural Steel.
I don't have my text books here, and I'm an ME, not CE, but the numbers look right to me.
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Not to mention, eye-witness accounts of aircraft debris inside the pentagon.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
please consider what happens when you drop a watermelon on concrete. Notice how it explodes leaving very little of the original shape? picture a 42ton aluminum and magnesium airplane hitting a 75,000 ton stack of concrete while its full of flammable liquid. Imagine how much of that airplane will be left over... Add in that aluminum and magnesium burn, along with some of the building materials and most of the components of the airplane itself...
Im not saying it was anything in particular, but saying that it DEFINITELY wasnt an airplane is stupid and misinformed.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
please consider what happens when you drop a watermelon on concrete. Notice how it explodes leaving very little of the original shape? picture a 42ton aluminum and magnesium airplane hitting a 75,000 ton stack of concrete while its full of flammable liquid. Imagine how much of that airplane will be left over... Add in that aluminum and magnesium burn, along with some of the building materials and most of the components of the airplane itself...
Im not saying it was anything in particular, but saying that it DEFINITELY wasnt an airplane is stupid and misinformed.
the word truth must have thrown me off
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hate to be the pot calling the kettle black, but this sounds like you are mocking paul (i know, who doesnt want to do that, right ), but all he did was share an anecdote that wasnt intended to mock the OP, and just share his real life experience with explosives. he never said the op was crazy or stupid.
), but all he did was share an anecdote that wasnt intended to mock the OP, and just share his real life experience with explosives. he never said the op was crazy or stupid.
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and WTC7... Oh my god... The building is right outside the other buildings, connected via tunnels, sitting on the same subway station and has been bombarded with debris and other shocks all day.
Please note these references taken on an analysis of the WTC collapse
1. Presentation on WTC Collapse, Civil Engineering Department, MIT, Cambridge, MA (October 3, 2001).
2. D. Drysdale, An Introduction to Fire Dynamics (New York: Wiley Interscience, 1985), pp. 134–140.
3. A.E. Cote, ed., Fire Protection Handbook 17th Edition (Quincy, MA: National Fire Protection Association, 1992), pp. 10–67.
4. A.E. Cote, ed., Fire Protection Handbook 17th Edition (Quincy, MA: National Fire Protection Association, 1992), pp. 6-62 to 6-70.
5. Steven Ashley, “When the Twin Towers Fell,” Scientific American Online (October 9, 2001); www.sciam.com/explorations/2001/100901wtc/
6. Zdenek P. Bazant and Yong Zhou, “Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis,” J. Engineering Mechanics ASCE, (September 28, 2001), also www.tam.uiuc.edu/news/200109wtc/
7. Timothy Wilkinson, “World Trade Centre–New York—Some Engineering Aspects” (October 25, 2001), Univ. Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering; www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.htm.
8. G. Charles Clifton, “Collapse of the World Trade Centers,” CAD Headlines, tenlinks.com (October 8, 2001); www.tenlinks.com/NEWS/special/wtc/clifton/p1.htm.
Please note these references taken on an analysis of the WTC collapse
1. Presentation on WTC Collapse, Civil Engineering Department, MIT, Cambridge, MA (October 3, 2001).
2. D. Drysdale, An Introduction to Fire Dynamics (New York: Wiley Interscience, 1985), pp. 134–140.
3. A.E. Cote, ed., Fire Protection Handbook 17th Edition (Quincy, MA: National Fire Protection Association, 1992), pp. 10–67.
4. A.E. Cote, ed., Fire Protection Handbook 17th Edition (Quincy, MA: National Fire Protection Association, 1992), pp. 6-62 to 6-70.
5. Steven Ashley, “When the Twin Towers Fell,” Scientific American Online (October 9, 2001); www.sciam.com/explorations/2001/100901wtc/
6. Zdenek P. Bazant and Yong Zhou, “Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis,” J. Engineering Mechanics ASCE, (September 28, 2001), also www.tam.uiuc.edu/news/200109wtc/
7. Timothy Wilkinson, “World Trade Centre–New York—Some Engineering Aspects” (October 25, 2001), Univ. Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering; www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.htm.
8. G. Charles Clifton, “Collapse of the World Trade Centers,” CAD Headlines, tenlinks.com (October 8, 2001); www.tenlinks.com/NEWS/special/wtc/clifton/p1.htm.