I went from Yoko ES100's to Falken 451's. For the same money, the Falkens are superior in the dry and far superior in the wet. About the only place a I like the Yoks better was at the limit, they are a little more forgiving. But the limit for them is lower than the Falkens. The feel of the Falkens at the limit is something you have to kinda get used to, it's not scary or anything, it's more like they kinda feel like they're going to let loose, but they don't.

 

ive used the es100 and fk451 both as well. the fk451's own the es100. for the same money theres no reason not to get fk451 over es100.

 

I've run Kumho MX's 225 45 17 10K miles and very happy w/them. Very good in rain so far, more grip than you could ever expect from a street tire. 220 teadwear. AA traction. Unbeatable price for performance you get. Don't drive them anwhere near snow.

 

that is the definition of subjective....I wouldn't wish those tires on my worst enemy.

If you like tires that are unstable at the limit, I guess the ES100 is the tire for you.

It's all about the quality that you demand from a tire...

 

from someone who actaully had the Azenis, they were not that bad. the Dry traction was great, they werent even that bad in the wet. I dont know how they would be with alot of standing water/ and freeway but around town they were not as bad as everyone thought they were.

 

How is that subjective? I have had 3 sets, and for the money, they have been great tires. It seems like you have no experience with them, or maybe you are confused? You wouldn't wish them on your worst enemy? Mmmmkay. I use every inch of the limits of my tires and have never been let down by these, street or track.

 

I need to replace my ES100's on my Celica, and wanted to try the 451's but they don't come in a size that fits my wheels. I also wanted to try the A032R but again, no 205/60-14 or anything close. I think I have settled on full-tread RA-1's as they come in 225/50-14 and should be fine on the street thru the summer. The ES100's are $75 each tho and it's nice to not have to care about your tires... The RA-1's are at least 2x the price.

 

my opinion on tires is as subjective as yours...this is because...opinions are subjective.

not confused one bit, and it seems that I actually have had ES100s before, and my opinion on them is that they are teh sUck, but hey, it's just my opinion.

I believe in paying good money for quality tires, since they are so important, of course as represented through your skill as a driver, to how your car handles, brakes, and responds in emergency situations.

If you like cheap tires, so be it!

 

I also believe in paying good money for quality tires. I don't like cheap tires because they offer very little grip and take a long time to wear out (so you can replace them with good tires). This is why I like the Yokohama AVS-ES100 because it's a good tire that offers great grip for not that bad a price. Of course my S0-3's are a much better tire, but then - they cost a lot more so they should be.

It's totally fine if you don't like AVS-ES100s - really, I don't care, but there's no need to tell me that I like stuff that sucks simply because you don't like them (for some un-known reason besides "they are teh sUck"). They are a great tire that I have used on street and track. They have never let me down. Of course, more expensive tires are better, but that should really be obvious.

 

what's obvious is that friends don't let friends go out and buy ES100s...

 

Um. What?

 

Reason why most people don't like ES100s is probly because once they start to wear more they get louder road noise and that can make almost any driver annoyed. Not only that but the level of grip on the ES100s are really not as high as they are rated because the rubber on the tire is just too hard just like the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 i mean don't get me rong the hard rubber may be good but if you really want them to grip it would take longer since its made of harder rubber, if you ever feel the sidewalls of those two tires and compare them to the SO-3s, the Pilot Sport 2s and ES100s are just too soft on the side, they are just not good for track attacks as much as the SO-3s.

Honestly alot of ppl that come by my work just are not satisfied with those as much as the Potenzas. Only draw back to SO-3s is treadwear but hey thats what the Tire Protection Plan is for. But hey this is my opinion.


Vince

P.S. To hear about Yokohama's new line of High Performance tires please PM if you would like to hear and trust me its worth hearing HAHAHAAA...

 

Please don't get me wrong, I never would compare an AVS-ES100 to an SO-3. There is no comparison. The SO-3 is also much more expensive though and even by the ratings this should be obvious. Thanks for the info. I haven't run on a track yet on my SO-3's so I will have to see. After a session my AVS-ES100's were nice and sticky, and were tossing off rubber boogers on the rears. It's obvious that the SO-3's are better, so it should be even more fun.

I would like to hear about Yokohama's new high performance tire. LMK.