well, we are still here!so lucky us, he is a cool God

 

Religion is the cause of most wars, and I've never heard of religion stopping a war.

I know that one murdering Catholic does not make all Catholics murderers...I'm not an idiot. But one murdering/molesting Catholic DOES reflect on the Catholic church and community. And over time, so many attrocities have been commited by Catholics (especially priests and others with power in the church) that the organization should be recognized as faulty.
It's like Enron. Their stock went to s*** when everyone found out that a few people in the organization were doing things way wrong/illegal. A few messed up, reflects on the whole company. Some of the employees didn't do anything wrong. So why didn't the 'stock' of the Catholic church ever decline after any of the evil things that the clergy has done? Because, as I said earlier, churches somehow give themselves 'get out of jail free' cards everytime they get corrupted. If religious organizations were governed and controlled like companies and other organizations are, they would all have been discontinued by now.

 

well maybe not a major war, but back in 1986 in the Philippines, Catholic figures led the people towards a peaceful revolution, and avoided a major civil war between the government and people.

http://library.thinkquest.org/15816/mainpage.html

 

From your response, would it be safe to assume that you, personally, have never had premarital sex and have never used contraception -- because both are, well, a sin?

Does it mean that you also never wear your seatbelt, because you're a good driver and would never make a mistake?

Sure, you can say: "I wear my seatbelt, because other drivers make mistakes and I don't want to suffer as a result of it." But what if the pope told you that it is wrong to wear your seatbelt no matter what? Yet this is the case with condoms. Imagine a woman who is completely faithful to her husband. Her husband, however, sleeps around on her, gets infected with HIV and then gives it to her (no pun intended.) She never asks him to use a condom because, well, the pope said it's wrong, and her place is in the kitchen anyway. So she gets infected. How is that fair?

So in this situation a Christian person can do one of two things. They can get on the podium, puff their cheeks and say: "See, I told you so." Or they could try to prevent something like this from happening in the future. Which would be a more humane thing to do?

Personally, I always thought that a good Christian should always strive to do the most humane thing possible. Especially if you're, well, a pope.

 

well it seems like no one is good enough for anybody anymore...no matter who you vote for, people will always find something negative about someone...funny how you guys never talked about this last week, or last month...also, funny how people only see the bad in someone, or the negative aspects about someone or something...

i guess its just human nature to pesecute and condemn others and their wrong doings, without even loooking at oneself in the mirror..


may I ask you, what good have you done lately?? that's what i thought..

 

The AIDS/condom complaint about Catholics is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. 99.999999999999999999999% of AIDS cases happen because of adultery. Do you really think that someone who is devout enough to follow the Pope's ruling on condom use is also going to break the seventh commandment, a direct order from God almighty? Do really think devout Catholics contribute any measurable amount to the spread of AIDS?

 

WHOA!!!! I just read it now....I don't eve go there to random thoughts until now.

So i guess i was right

 

What happened to DAREDEVIL? He's been quiet the past few pages. Just wondering where you are now.






Btw I like your name and starting this thread about the pope. Seems like there's a connection somewhere...

 

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3107895

 

As a long-time and thoughtful atheist can assure you that Pope John Paul II is certainly not going to hell. The only heaven and the only hell we will ever know are the ones that we we create for our own lives.

Unlike many so-called atheists, I bear no grudge against religious people of any legal and ethical persuasion. Although I do not agree with many of his moral and ethical positions and I do not believe in the existance of God, John Paul II was humble and decent man who devoted his life to the betterment of mankind and the aliviation of human suffering, a noble cause that transcends any petty sectarian accusations or condemnations.

Atheist though I am, I am glad to have lived in the same world as the Dalai Lama, Pope John Paul II, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Ghandi. Despite their human shortcomings, it is by the emminence of their genius, their ethical superiority and love for all of humanity that the world has benefitted.

 

First you need to understand what "sin" is, and I don't think you do. Did you happen to read what I wrote about "allegiance"?

If you think that I believe condoms are a license to be irresponsible, I don't.

How about being concerned that she should be able to trust her husband not to cheat and the lying scum be responsible.

You missed another option. This one includes being a living example of how to address the real problems. I.e. show people that its actually possible to not be a slave to sexuality and to avoid AIDS 100%. And, care for people who live with the consequences of being sexually irresponsibly.

We do. We don't just teach what we believe and then shun people - at least that's not the Church's calling. We care for people sick with AIDS, despite our views. Just like God cares for us despite our rebellious attitudes towards him. And with that we also teach that its possible for the human race to not be sexually irresponsible so that they may avoid this suffering. If you think being self-restrained with your sexuality is suffering, try AIDS.

As a side note: I don't think condoms are wrong - I've used them myself from time to time. I disagree with the Catholic view on contraception. If people are going to be irresponsible with their sexuality, let them use condoms. But condoms won't cure AIDS and it won't cure the other societal issues that come with irresponsible living... like the broken marriage between your ficticious couple.

jason

 

Bump for the Pope..May he R.I.P

 

THIS THREAD SUCKS!!!!! :finger

 

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You all know that congress is hearing a bill to allow a day of honor for PJP. I think there should be a national holiday. They did it for MLK Jr.

 

Heh, there are so many reasons why that wouldn't fly. Although, they might be able to sneak in an "End of Cold War Day" as a rememberance to Carol Wojtyla

jason