Ok wtf...
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From page 64 of THIS
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655553
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6&page=1&pp=25
(4.6) Software Calibration Identification: On all vehicles, a software calibration identification number (CAL ID) for the diagnostic or emission critical powertrain control unit(s) shall be made available through the standardized data link connector in accordance with the SAE J1979 specifications. A unique CAL ID shall be used for every emission-related calibration and/or software set having at least one bit of different data from any other emission-related calibration and/or software set. Control units coded with multiple emission or diagnostic calibrations and/or software sets shall indicate a unique CAL ID for each variant in a manner that enables an off-board device to determine which variant is being used by the vehicle. Control units that utilize a strategy that will result in MIL illumination if the incorrect variant is used (e.g., control units that contain variants for manual and automatic transmissions but will illuminate the MIL if the variant selected does not match the type of transmission on the vehicle) are not required to use unique CAL IDs.
(4.7) Software Calibration Verification Number
(4.7.1) All 2005 and subsequent model year vehicles shall use an algorithm to calculate a calibration verification number (CVN) that verifies the on-board computer software integrity in diagnostic or emission critical electronically reprogrammable powertrain control units. The CVN shall be made available through the standardized data link connector in accordance with the SAE J1979 specifications. The CVN shall be capable of being used to determine if the emission-related software and/or calibration data are valid and applicable for that vehicle and CAL ID.
(4.7.2) Manufacturers shall request Executive Officer approval of the algorithm used to calculate the CVN. Executive Officer approval of the algorithm shall be based on the complexity of the algorithm and the difficulty in achieving the same CVN with modified calibration values.
(4.7.3) The CVN shall be calculated at least once per driving cycle and stored until the CVN is subsequently updated. Except for immediately after a reprogramming event or a non-volatile memory clear or for the first 30 seconds of engine operation after a volatile memory clear or battery disconnect, the stored value shall be made available through the data link connector to a generic scan tool in accordance with SAE J1979 specifications. The stored CVN value may not be erased when fault memory is erased by a generic scan tool in accordance with SAE J1979 specifications or during normal vehicle shut down (i.e., key off, engine off).
(4.7.4) For purposes of Inspection and Maintenance (I/M) testing, manufacturers shall make the CVN and CAL ID combination information available for all 2005 and subsequent model year vehicles in a standardized electronic format that allows for off-board verification that the CVN is valid and appropriate for a specific vehicle and CAL ID.
(4.8) Vehicle Identification Number: All 2005 and subsequent model year vehicles shall have the vehicle identification number (VIN) available in a standardized format through the standardized data link connector in accordance with SAE J1979 specifications. Only one electronic control unit per vehicle shall report the VIN to an SAE J1978 scan tool.
(4.7) Software Calibration Verification Number
(4.7.1) All 2005 and subsequent model year vehicles shall use an algorithm to calculate a calibration verification number (CVN) that verifies the on-board computer software integrity in diagnostic or emission critical electronically reprogrammable powertrain control units. The CVN shall be made available through the standardized data link connector in accordance with the SAE J1979 specifications. The CVN shall be capable of being used to determine if the emission-related software and/or calibration data are valid and applicable for that vehicle and CAL ID.
(4.7.2) Manufacturers shall request Executive Officer approval of the algorithm used to calculate the CVN. Executive Officer approval of the algorithm shall be based on the complexity of the algorithm and the difficulty in achieving the same CVN with modified calibration values.
(4.7.3) The CVN shall be calculated at least once per driving cycle and stored until the CVN is subsequently updated. Except for immediately after a reprogramming event or a non-volatile memory clear or for the first 30 seconds of engine operation after a volatile memory clear or battery disconnect, the stored value shall be made available through the data link connector to a generic scan tool in accordance with SAE J1979 specifications. The stored CVN value may not be erased when fault memory is erased by a generic scan tool in accordance with SAE J1979 specifications or during normal vehicle shut down (i.e., key off, engine off).
(4.7.4) For purposes of Inspection and Maintenance (I/M) testing, manufacturers shall make the CVN and CAL ID combination information available for all 2005 and subsequent model year vehicles in a standardized electronic format that allows for off-board verification that the CVN is valid and appropriate for a specific vehicle and CAL ID.
(4.8) Vehicle Identification Number: All 2005 and subsequent model year vehicles shall have the vehicle identification number (VIN) available in a standardized format through the standardized data link connector in accordance with SAE J1979 specifications. Only one electronic control unit per vehicle shall report the VIN to an SAE J1978 scan tool.
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You can get things legalized. Like intakes. Some large companies (think ESX) have the money and the ability to get a CARB number, some don't. That's why some intakes have the plaque and are okay and some don't and are technically illegal. Does it make sense? No. But it's how it works. The CARB rules blow ***.
Subaru is a manufacturer. Its legal abilities cannot be compared to our local tuners. Subaru is assumed to work within parameters of CARB.
Subaru is a manufacturer. Its legal abilities cannot be compared to our local tuners. Subaru is assumed to work within parameters of CARB.
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§ 27150.1. Sale of exhaust systems; Compliance with regulations and standards
No person engaged in a business that involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
(c) No person shall install, sell, offer for sale, or advertise any device, apparatus, or mechanism intended for use with, or as a part of, any required motor vehicle pollution control device or system which alters or modifies the original design or performance of any such motor vehicle pollution control device or system.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
No person engaged in a business that involves the selling of motor vehicle exhaust systems, or parts thereof, including, but not limited to, mufflers, shall offer for sale, sell, or install, a motor vehicle exhaust system, or part thereof, including, but not limited to, a muffler, unless it meets the regulations and standards applicable pursuant to this article. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.
(c) No person shall install, sell, offer for sale, or advertise any device, apparatus, or mechanism intended for use with, or as a part of, any required motor vehicle pollution control device or system which alters or modifies the original design or performance of any such motor vehicle pollution control device or system.
A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
There's gobs and gobs and gobs of this stuff on http://www.arb.ca.gov/ . ....I'm going to sleep. G/F's getting restless....
This is a side-note, but BUBB RUBB!!! Woooo Wooooo!!!
§ 27150.3. Modification of exhaust system with whistle-tip
(a) A person may not modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle with a whistle-tip.
(b) A person may not operate a motor vehicle if that vehicle's exhaust system is modified in violation of subdivision (a).
(c) A person may not engage in the business of installing a whistle-tip onto a motor vehicle's exhaust system.
(d) For purposes of subdivisions (a) and (c), a "whistle-tip" is a device that is applied to, or is a modification of, a motor vehicle's exhaust pipe for the sole purpose of creating a high-pitched or shrieking noise when the motor vehicle is operated.
(a) A person may not modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle with a whistle-tip.
(b) A person may not operate a motor vehicle if that vehicle's exhaust system is modified in violation of subdivision (a).
(c) A person may not engage in the business of installing a whistle-tip onto a motor vehicle's exhaust system.
(d) For purposes of subdivisions (a) and (c), a "whistle-tip" is a device that is applied to, or is a modification of, a motor vehicle's exhaust pipe for the sole purpose of creating a high-pitched or shrieking noise when the motor vehicle is operated.
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Originally Posted by EJ20Legacy
There's gobs and gobs and gobs of this stuff on http://www.arb.ca.gov/ . ....I'm going to sleep. G/F's getting restless....
This is a side-note, but BUBB RUBB!!! Woooo Wooooo!!!

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This is a side-note, but BUBB RUBB!!! Woooo Wooooo!!!
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still dont see where it says you cant reflash them.. all it says is that the ecu has to have an id number and be pre aprpoved (so stand alones etc are technical illegal).. That and a check sum should be calculated during each driving cycle and be avalible via a data port for verification.. Doesnt say anywhere about reflashing the parameteres on the ecu is illegal (which is what a reflash does), hell it doesnt even say anything about a piggy back being illegal.
and the exhaust thing is a no brainer and there is actually three or four laws that apply, some that contradict others.. its a nice mess actually..
then you throw in chp bulleting 98-100, etc etc
and the exhaust thing is a no brainer and there is actually three or four laws that apply, some that contradict others.. its a nice mess actually..
then you throw in chp bulleting 98-100, etc etc
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wouldnt be so hard if he would stop running away from it..
guess its the thrill of the hunt, same thing that allows me to dig thru 500mbs text file logs looking for a few lines of stuff...
guess its the thrill of the hunt, same thing that allows me to dig thru 500mbs text file logs looking for a few lines of stuff...
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
damn almost 6am im going to bed later
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Originally Posted by 1WRXNFX
Not always true...1st amendment right is freedom of speech. And the government doesn't have that strict if any genuine policies on what is or can be said on public web boards.
What it DOESN'T mean is that you can attempt to destroy someone's character or harm their business, that you can't be held civilly liable, or even criminally liable in the case of threats. Go into a movie theater and yell FIRE and then try to say it's your 1st amendment right.

I hope Ed does have a business license... if not, I hope he goes and gets one, it's not that hard. A little paperwork and $50 or so and it's done. And BTW dre, a business license doesn't have anything to do with filing taxes or ensuring any kind of quality work. It's just a revenue generator for the city it's filed in. You're just being a ******** because your panties are too tight and you need a hug.
No, I don't know Ed, I've never met or talked to him. It just pisses me off to see some ******** e-thug try to destroy someone's reputation because he's got a virtual beef with them over nothing more than personality. You don't like the guy.. he didn't blow up your car, he didn't even date your sister and break up with her. You just don't like the guy.
The best thing Ed can do is not respond at all to your bull****. Maybe even hire an attorney to pursue a civil case against Dre for liable, and he could probably shut down i-club too if he found the right attorney. The owner of i-club should shut you the **** up dre before you start costing him money beyond the bandwidth you waste.
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