Nov 5th - send a message to the banks

Old Oct 28, 2011 | 08:08 AM
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Exactly the problem. What does federally insured really mean? It's insured by our tax dollars! So the banks made irresponsible decisions with our money because it's insure by more of our money?! How insane is that?

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exactly, so where is the risk to the bank? especially if they are getting bailed out(again with our tax dollars) when they do fail.

The bottom line is that the government has to much involvement.

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Old Oct 28, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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Too much or too little involvement depending on how you look at it. The government could have set policies for the banks to follow to avoide this. Instead they set policies to promote it. In my eyes pretty much everyone involved in this mess is at fault. Arguing about who is at fault is useless because everyone ****ed up. We just need to agree that everyone ****ed up and finally do something about it.

This isn't about too much or too little government, it's about making stupid decisions. Stupid decisions can just as easily be made by corporations and banks as by the government. In this case they all made stupid decisions and we all suffer as a result.

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Old Oct 28, 2011 | 10:03 AM
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Being from Canada, I have a somewhat biased point of view on this subject... The Banks in Canada are heavily regulated at the federal level, therefore there are certain guidelines they must follow in order to loan out money... Some will say this is too much government, but at the same time, there was no Sub-prime mortgage crisis in Canada...

I don't have a problem in Banks being regulated by government more...
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Too much or too little involvement depending on how you look at it. The government could have set policies for the banks to follow to avoide this. Instead they set policies to promote it. In my eyes pretty much everyone involved in this mess is at fault. Arguing about who is at fault is useless because everyone ****ed up. We just need to agree that everyone ****ed up and finally do something about it.

This isn't about too much or too little government, it's about making stupid decisions. Stupid decisions can just as easily be made by corporations and banks as by the government. In this case they all made stupid decisions and we all suffer as a result.

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Agree with this I will.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 10:16 AM
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I know they won't. That was a bit extreme.

Do you think I just blindly chose a bank and credit union? No way, Jose. I'm an actual responsible adult. Imagine that.
Of course not! If I had to assume most people chose a bank based on the before mentioned criteria. I would believe most people would have already ended up at a credit union, the advantages with a CU were always there. Only now when big banks are starting to add fee's the value of the smaller banks and credit unions become even more appealing.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 10:22 AM
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On a different topic Netflix wanted to add a new charge/fee that didn't go so well and they're regretting it big time. In the end, if big banks lose customers they only have themselves to blame.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Too much or too little involvement depending on how you look at it. The government could have set policies for the banks to follow to avoide this. Instead they set policies to promote it. In my eyes pretty much everyone involved in this mess is at fault. Arguing about who is at fault is useless because everyone ****ed up. We just need to agree that everyone ****ed up and finally do something about it.

This isn't about too much or too little government, it's about making stupid decisions. Stupid decisions can just as easily be made by corporations and banks as by the government. In this case they all made stupid decisions and we all suffer as a result.

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SUP ED! I totally agree all parties involved banks, government, and person's who signed for the loans are at fault. I wanted to bring to attention in terms of the damage done. banks got bailed out, nothing changed with government policy, and the people who lost their homes are homeless. If all are at fault equally it should hurt all, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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SUP ED! I totally agree all parties involved banks, government, and person's who signed for the loans are at fault. I wanted to bring to attention in terms of the damage done. banks got bailed out, nothing changed with government policy, and the people who lost their homes are homeless. If all are at fault equally it should hurt all, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Exactly right. IMO, the banks have a higher level of responsibility because they're making decisions with other people's money and are heavily protected by the government. Individuals who gambled with their own money and credit have direct repercussions. Banks are gambling with their customer's money and expect to be rescued by tax dollars being paid by those same customers. In my eyes that is a much more grievous offense than gambling with your own money.

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Old Oct 28, 2011 | 12:39 PM
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The ultimate cause of the crash was lack of governmental regulation
The banks made stupid business decisions for short term gain due to a lack of oversight.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowend
The ultimate cause of the crash was lack of governmental regulation
The banks made stupid business decisions for short term gain due to a lack of oversight.
Wrong, they were told by .gov to give people loans that would be covered, even if the people couldn't afford the loans they were told they could.

Who is responsible?

.gov for telling private banks wtf to do
.banks for not being truthful to the people and telling the .gov to stfu
.People for not knowing basic math and not having a brain.

All of the above.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 01:19 PM
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Where did the Gov tell banks to make insolvent loans? I know of a couple of speeches where "the dream of home ownership" were mentioned. But no formal instructions
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 02:48 PM
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Where did the Gov tell banks to make insolvent loans? I know of a couple of speeches where "the dream of home ownership" were mentioned. But no formal instructions
The gov't didn't directly tell banks to make ****ty loans.

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Old Oct 28, 2011 | 03:23 PM
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Dude that was in 1994 Obama had no authority at that point.
The crash happened months before Obama was elected, you can't blame this on him

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This starts from the top, the top is the Government and Fed Reserve. If banks/businesses and other people were borrowing money knowing they were making huge cash profits because of the low interest rate and guaranteed coverage, anyone would do the same.

Banks do their thing by trying to make the most money possible. If that means exploiting something then so be it, it wasn't illegal. However, the Fed or the government could set the right limitations so they couldn't do this. This did not happen, banks, like any normal person who has any idea about economics decided to cash in as much as they can. That's a normal human reaction... kinda like leaving dog treats out on the ground, it's there, dogs eat it, not regulated. So now the dog is obese, but was bailed out. The only person to blame is the owner, in this instance the Fed Reserve and Government for keeping too low of interest rates AND guarantee'ing crap with our cash.
Old Oct 28, 2011 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowend
Dude that was in 1994 Obama had no authority at that point.
The crash happened months before Obama was elected, you can't blame this on him
I am not blaming Obama directly for the Housing Bust.
He was merely a cog in the machine that ****ed every thing up; whiners sued, gov't gave in, banks made loans, a few made an *** load of $$, and we paid for it.

It takes time for the Financial Gears to ramp up as well as slow down; nothing causes success/failure instantaneously.

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