I've never heard of that before. So what happens when you get busted using race fuel?

 

^thats been around for a good year or so. Just like every law people complain about the laws and then quickly forget. Though I have heard a few stations don't ask any sort of info so it's not being strictly enforced.

 

Propane is a fossil fuel as well, it's the light ends of the crude refining process. So no crude no propane, or butane, diesel, jetfuel, petroleum coke (which is used in more products than you can imagine from makeup to asphalt for the roads).

I like krinkovs point, its thinking bigger picture, and hell I work for a oil company. We can't just keep going from fossil fuel to fossil fuel. And if you think electric is the way to go, I got news for you electrical is energy too and has its price. It's not like there are going to be free power up stations on the side of the road. Where there is money to be made they will gouge.

 

Compare one pound of fissionable material to 1lb of any fossil fuel.
Nuclear power ftw

 

+2.

F corn water.

 

good. if it cant compete in the marketplace then begone with it. lets dump regular oil subsidies while we're at it.

 

Agreed, nuclear power is definitely the way to go. People are scared though because of trenobyl, 3 mile island, ***ushima for really no reason. Trenobyl was the worst of the cases and it was not engineered in a way we would do today with redundant failsafes one after another. Hell in ca there are only two nuclear power plants left and they are trying to close those as well. They have closed both the northern ca nuke plants.

 

This has been a long time coming. I didn't even read the article so I could be talking out of my *** here but there are 2 reasons I didn't convert...

1. Not enough stations.
2. The government subsidizing was going to come to an end at some point because it is a foolish thing for tax dollars to be going in to in the first place. It was basically free money for these oil companies that are already making too much money. The government money was the only thing keeping the price down and making it a viable option for people.

California is retarded when it comes to their fuel ideas. Lower octane fuel burns slower so cars get better gas mileage but guess what... higher octane burns cleaner. Us getting stuck with 91 instead of 93 is irritating. All these california only smog laws are stupid. We have insanely strict smog laws... many of them having ZERO to do with true emissions and everything to do with money and control. Yet we don't have any safety checks. How many cars do you see with not only one brake light out but ALL of them or maybe just one. Or a headlight out. Or brake pads squealing. Or how about cars with such bad alignment that the tires are literally bouncing as they drive.

All of those things have more to do with public safety than these retarded smog laws. When I had my honda damn near every part was modified on it and it still passed the sniffer test but was as illegal as imaginable visually. Which is more important?




but that's all a side bar to the point of the post... this was bound to come at some point. Anyone that though otherwise did not take the time to look in to it.

 

Well we can all thank the greenies for *****ing and crying about it and not offering up a viable replacement solution. NOTHING compares to nuclear when you look at lbs of reaction mass to energy potential.

Soon as we kill the EPA we'll have nukes, stop guzzling thousands of gallons of fuel a day to provide electric.

That is flat out wrong.

If lower octane fuel burned 'slower' then you'd want to run 87 in a high compression engine instead of 93 or 105. The lower the octane rating the more 'explosive' the reaction, the higher the octane rating the less 'explosive' it is, it burns more slowly which allows you to extract power through the length of the stroke. That is why the higher the octane rating the more compression\boost you can run without detonation.

 

Seriously....


The fear of a fuel shortage has been overhyped and misused to artificially drive up fuel costs. There is a reason that oil companies continue to make record profits during a down economy.... no one is stopping them.

If someone came to you and said... hey... we're going to give you a raise. You'll now be making 10x's what you're worth and you don't have to do any more work would you question them? Hell now. You'd take the money and run while ignoring the fact that all of a sudden your company is half the size, your weekly conferences are now video conferences with the teams in India and Jamaica and for some reason everyone around you is having to pay more for the same product even though it's costing you less to produce it.


We need to force these companies to pay ****ing taxes not get tax credits. We need to tax outsourcing.
We need to focus on American based technological advancement and product quality as well as product support.
We need to stop focusing on running out of fuel and start focusing on ways to use less of it. And 30mph vehicles are not the answer... believe it or not cars have been getting that kind of gas mileage for 40 years... FOURTY ****ING YEARS!!!!!!!! They just wear out faster now.

Maybe more efficient roads (yeah all that half assed ****ty concrete work effects your MPG's)
Maybe better and more public transit. Bart is 40 years old. Amtrac might as well be 120 years old.

etc
etc
etc



Hopefully the next generation is better than ours has been. Our turned the other cheek and prayed for hand outs while boomers stuffed their pockets with our tax dollars.

 

Cost of new plant construction is INSANE and these old aging ones get more dangerous every year.

Try prying money out of tax payers hands to pay for a new plant that they've been tough to fear since birth.

 

I understand they're expensive, but they're cleaner, and can use fuel which doesn't pollute nearly as much as fossil fuels do.

Yeah yeah there's the radiation side of things, but if it was really such a big concern strap the **** to a rocket and send it to the sun.

 

I don't mind if the price of E85 rises, as long as its still available.
Thats the bit that worries me, it will be tough to lose 55whp/80wtq if i cant feed the car corn anymore
hope enough stations continue to carry it even if the market shrinks some...

 

I'm not supporting it... just saying that's how it is.

 

You can add all the nuc power stations you want. But unless something is done to the current grid. You all will go dark once you flip the a/c's back on in California.
California has law'ed themselves back to the stone age. Fix the current power grid problems before you go drawing off it more with cars.