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Exactly!
I can't imagine if Bush wins another presidency. Another war, invasion, more so call "anti-America terrorist attack", possibly a draft etc.
Think we need a more "green minded" prisident.
Again-http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Home.html
Bush's a JOKE!
P.S-A blind talking to the deaf on 60mins tonight.
I can't imagine if Bush wins another presidency. Another war, invasion, more so call "anti-America terrorist attack", possibly a draft etc.
Think we need a more "green minded" prisident.
Again-http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Home.html
Bush's a JOKE!
P.S-A blind talking to the deaf on 60mins tonight.
Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
i woudl be more concerened about the peak oil situation. No joke
That will be what would lead the gov to clamp down as people bbecome a bit unruley about it all.
i woudl be more concerened about the peak oil situation. No joke
That will be what would lead the gov to clamp down as people bbecome a bit unruley about it all.
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Ok, now I've heard too much... First can I have some examples of what laws were past and the civil liberties were taken away? Secondly it's interesting how much of a bubble people in the bay area live in. When I went back home for the holidays and talked to friends and family about what goes on here, they think you people are nuts. The green party is joke socialism will never work here and if you honestly believe this stuff it's more because you agree with the political undertones and you WANT it to happen so the revolution can occur and the bad guys (in your mind) can be gotten rid of. People do have there heads out of there asses and look objectively at what's going on they just disagree with what you think which is apprently what makes them wrong.
It's not that simple they're won't be a brush swept over the landscape that fixes what wrong. Even if that does happen will regress into the systems we have now eventually anyway. Entropy in man made systems is inevitable and guaranteed to happen. Oh and has anyway thought about how much energy it would take to travel in time? Oh do you create it and how do you direct it? I think the flux capicter can barely handle a lightning bolt how about harnessing the power of a sun within the physical confines a car? hmmmmmm.....
It's not that simple they're won't be a brush swept over the landscape that fixes what wrong. Even if that does happen will regress into the systems we have now eventually anyway. Entropy in man made systems is inevitable and guaranteed to happen. Oh and has anyway thought about how much energy it would take to travel in time? Oh do you create it and how do you direct it? I think the flux capicter can barely handle a lightning bolt how about harnessing the power of a sun within the physical confines a car? hmmmmmm.....
You asked for it. Taken from the eff page
Why is EFF concerned about PATRIOT?
Under PATRIOT, civil liberties, especially privacy rights, have taken a severe blow:
The law dramatically expands the ability of states and the Federal Government to conduct surveillance of American citizens. The Government can monitor an individual's web surfing records, use roving wiretaps to monitor phone calls made by individuals "proximate" to the primary person being tapped, access Internet Service Provider records, and monitor the private records of people involved in legitimate protests.
PATRIOT is not limited to terrorism. The Government can add samples to DNA databases for individuals convicted of "any crime of violence." Government spying on suspected computer trespassers (not just terrorist suspects) requires no court order. Wiretaps are now allowed for any suspected violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, offering possibilities for Government spying on any computer user.
Foreign and domestic intelligence agencies can more easily spy on Americans. Powers under the existing Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) have been broadened to allow for increased surveillance opportunities. FISA standards are lower than the constitutional standard applied by the courts in regular investigations. PATRIOT partially repeals legislation enacted in the 1970s that prohibited pervasive surveillance of Americans.
PATRIOT eliminates Government accountability. While PATRIOT freely eliminates privacy rights for individual Americans, it creates more secrecy for Government activities, making it extremely difficult to know about actions the Government is taking.
PATRIOT authorizes the use of "sneak and peek" search warrants in connection with any federal crime, including misdemeanors. A "sneak and peek" warrant authorizes law enforcement officers to enter private premises without the occupant's permission or knowledge and without informing the occupant that such a search was conducted.
The Department of Justice, with little input from Congress and the American people, is developing follow-on legislation - the Domestic Security Enhancement Act (nicknamed Patriot II) -- which would greatly expand PATRIOT's already sweeping powers.
Since PATRIOT became law:
Branch libraries in Santa Cruz (CA) County have posted signs warning patrons that "although the Santa Cruz Library makes every effort to protect your privacy, under the federal USA PATRIOT ACT (Public Law 107-56), records of the books and other materials you borrow from this library may be obtained by federal agents."
PATRIOT gives corporations, businesses and merchants justification to track the activities of employees and customers and requires banks and other financial institutions to monitor and report "suspicious" activity.
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has started developing a system known as "Total Information Awareness" (TIA), which would mine and collect vast amounts of information about individuals Americans and create a massive domestic surveillance system.
DARPA recently issued its report to Congress regarding the renamed "Terrorism Information Awareness" program. The report, mandated by Congress and written to "assess the likely impact of the implementation" of TIA on civil liberties and privacy, was an opportunity for DARPA to review and require accountabilities for each TIA components. While DARPA has talked about the need for operational or technical (as opposed to legal) TIA privacy safeguards for some time (and deserves credit for having done so), EFF is disappointed by the superficiality of the Report's discussion and concerned about how TIA will affect the privacy of ordinary Americans.
The Transportation Security Administration has proposed the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System II, or CAPPS II. The system would use public and private databases to rate passengers by color codes, which could be used by airlines to determine whether a passenger is allowed to board a flight or be subjected to additional questioning.
The U.S. State Department has cooperated with the Immigration and Naturalization Service to round up thousands of aliens suspected of terrorism, although most have been either released, given minor charges, or deported on visa or other technical violations.
About the patriot act 2
http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terror...I-analysis.php
Patriot act 1
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveilla..._analysis.html
Read the links to get more info.
Why is EFF concerned about PATRIOT?
Under PATRIOT, civil liberties, especially privacy rights, have taken a severe blow:
The law dramatically expands the ability of states and the Federal Government to conduct surveillance of American citizens. The Government can monitor an individual's web surfing records, use roving wiretaps to monitor phone calls made by individuals "proximate" to the primary person being tapped, access Internet Service Provider records, and monitor the private records of people involved in legitimate protests.
PATRIOT is not limited to terrorism. The Government can add samples to DNA databases for individuals convicted of "any crime of violence." Government spying on suspected computer trespassers (not just terrorist suspects) requires no court order. Wiretaps are now allowed for any suspected violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, offering possibilities for Government spying on any computer user.
Foreign and domestic intelligence agencies can more easily spy on Americans. Powers under the existing Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) have been broadened to allow for increased surveillance opportunities. FISA standards are lower than the constitutional standard applied by the courts in regular investigations. PATRIOT partially repeals legislation enacted in the 1970s that prohibited pervasive surveillance of Americans.
PATRIOT eliminates Government accountability. While PATRIOT freely eliminates privacy rights for individual Americans, it creates more secrecy for Government activities, making it extremely difficult to know about actions the Government is taking.
PATRIOT authorizes the use of "sneak and peek" search warrants in connection with any federal crime, including misdemeanors. A "sneak and peek" warrant authorizes law enforcement officers to enter private premises without the occupant's permission or knowledge and without informing the occupant that such a search was conducted.
The Department of Justice, with little input from Congress and the American people, is developing follow-on legislation - the Domestic Security Enhancement Act (nicknamed Patriot II) -- which would greatly expand PATRIOT's already sweeping powers.
Since PATRIOT became law:
Branch libraries in Santa Cruz (CA) County have posted signs warning patrons that "although the Santa Cruz Library makes every effort to protect your privacy, under the federal USA PATRIOT ACT (Public Law 107-56), records of the books and other materials you borrow from this library may be obtained by federal agents."
PATRIOT gives corporations, businesses and merchants justification to track the activities of employees and customers and requires banks and other financial institutions to monitor and report "suspicious" activity.
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has started developing a system known as "Total Information Awareness" (TIA), which would mine and collect vast amounts of information about individuals Americans and create a massive domestic surveillance system.
DARPA recently issued its report to Congress regarding the renamed "Terrorism Information Awareness" program. The report, mandated by Congress and written to "assess the likely impact of the implementation" of TIA on civil liberties and privacy, was an opportunity for DARPA to review and require accountabilities for each TIA components. While DARPA has talked about the need for operational or technical (as opposed to legal) TIA privacy safeguards for some time (and deserves credit for having done so), EFF is disappointed by the superficiality of the Report's discussion and concerned about how TIA will affect the privacy of ordinary Americans.
The Transportation Security Administration has proposed the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System II, or CAPPS II. The system would use public and private databases to rate passengers by color codes, which could be used by airlines to determine whether a passenger is allowed to board a flight or be subjected to additional questioning.
The U.S. State Department has cooperated with the Immigration and Naturalization Service to round up thousands of aliens suspected of terrorism, although most have been either released, given minor charges, or deported on visa or other technical violations.
About the patriot act 2
http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terror...I-analysis.php
Patriot act 1
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveilla..._analysis.html
Read the links to get more info.
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=12234&c=206
- The government would no longer be required to disclose the identity of anyone, even an American citizen, detained in connection with a terror investigation ? until criminal charges are filed, no matter how long that takes (sec 201).
- Current court limits on local police spying on religious and political activity would be repealed (sec. 312).
- The government would be allowed to obtain credit records and library records without a warrant (secs. 126, 128, 129).
- Wiretaps without any court order for up to 15 days after terror attack would be permissible. (sec. 103).
- Release of information about health/safety hazards posed by chemical and other plants would be restricted (sec. 202).
- The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded ? individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).
- Americans could be extradited, searched and wiretapped at the behest of foreign nations, whether or not treaties allow it (sec. 321, 322).
- Lawful immigrants would be stripped of the right to a fair deportation hearing and federal courts would not be allowed to review immigration rulings (secs. 503, 504).
http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terror...I-analysis.php
With the full effect of the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) on civil liberties in the United States still unknown, and without a shred of evidence that USAPA was required to help fight terrorism, the Bush Administration has been preparing a second piece of legislation. Tentatively titled the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003," it was instantly dubbed Patriot II or Son of Patriot. For purposes of this report, it's called USAPA II. Recently Attorney General Ashcroft denied that a bill was in the works, although he admitted that the leaked document is "what we've been thinking."2
Whether or not USAPA II is introduced, it's clear that the Patriot Act is casting a long shadow in Washington, D.C. For instance, Attorney General John Ashcroft recently told the Senate Judiciary Committee that he had authorized more than 170 "emergency" FISA searches since 9/11. In the previous 20 years, attorneys general had only authorized a total of 47 emergency FISA searches.
- The government would no longer be required to disclose the identity of anyone, even an American citizen, detained in connection with a terror investigation ? until criminal charges are filed, no matter how long that takes (sec 201).
- Current court limits on local police spying on religious and political activity would be repealed (sec. 312).
- The government would be allowed to obtain credit records and library records without a warrant (secs. 126, 128, 129).
- Wiretaps without any court order for up to 15 days after terror attack would be permissible. (sec. 103).
- Release of information about health/safety hazards posed by chemical and other plants would be restricted (sec. 202).
- The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded ? individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).
- Americans could be extradited, searched and wiretapped at the behest of foreign nations, whether or not treaties allow it (sec. 321, 322).
- Lawful immigrants would be stripped of the right to a fair deportation hearing and federal courts would not be allowed to review immigration rulings (secs. 503, 504).
http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Terror...I-analysis.php
With the full effect of the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) on civil liberties in the United States still unknown, and without a shred of evidence that USAPA was required to help fight terrorism, the Bush Administration has been preparing a second piece of legislation. Tentatively titled the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003," it was instantly dubbed Patriot II or Son of Patriot. For purposes of this report, it's called USAPA II. Recently Attorney General Ashcroft denied that a bill was in the works, although he admitted that the leaked document is "what we've been thinking."2
Whether or not USAPA II is introduced, it's clear that the Patriot Act is casting a long shadow in Washington, D.C. For instance, Attorney General John Ashcroft recently told the Senate Judiciary Committee that he had authorized more than 170 "emergency" FISA searches since 9/11. In the previous 20 years, attorneys general had only authorized a total of 47 emergency FISA searches.
Umm ever hear of unlawful search? What about unlawful seziure?
Well this is a way to get around that pesky thing called a constitution.
I like how they slipped the patriot act 2 into an intellegence funding bill (a bill that never gets cut down). What ****ers.
Well this is a way to get around that pesky thing called a constitution.
I like how they slipped the patriot act 2 into an intellegence funding bill (a bill that never gets cut down). What ****ers.
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Originally posted by seven881
Ok, now I've heard too much... First can I have some examples of what laws were past and the civil liberties were taken away? Secondly it's interesting how much of a bubble people in the bay area live in. When I went back home for the holidays and talked to friends and family about what goes on here, they think you people are nuts. The green party is joke socialism will never work here and if you honestly believe this stuff it's more because you agree with the political undertones and you WANT it to happen so the revolution can occur and the bad guys (in your mind) can be gotten rid of. People do have there heads out of there asses and look objectively at what's going on they just disagree with what you think which is apprently what makes them wrong.
It's not that simple they're won't be a brush swept over the landscape that fixes what wrong. Even if that does happen will regress into the systems we have now eventually anyway. Entropy in man made systems is inevitable and guaranteed to happen. Oh and has anyway thought about how much energy it would take to travel in time? Oh do you create it and how do you direct it? I think the flux capicter can barely handle a lightning bolt how about harnessing the power of a sun within the physical confines a car? hmmmmmm.....
Ok, now I've heard too much... First can I have some examples of what laws were past and the civil liberties were taken away? Secondly it's interesting how much of a bubble people in the bay area live in. When I went back home for the holidays and talked to friends and family about what goes on here, they think you people are nuts. The green party is joke socialism will never work here and if you honestly believe this stuff it's more because you agree with the political undertones and you WANT it to happen so the revolution can occur and the bad guys (in your mind) can be gotten rid of. People do have there heads out of there asses and look objectively at what's going on they just disagree with what you think which is apprently what makes them wrong.
It's not that simple they're won't be a brush swept over the landscape that fixes what wrong. Even if that does happen will regress into the systems we have now eventually anyway. Entropy in man made systems is inevitable and guaranteed to happen. Oh and has anyway thought about how much energy it would take to travel in time? Oh do you create it and how do you direct it? I think the flux capicter can barely handle a lightning bolt how about harnessing the power of a sun within the physical confines a car? hmmmmmm.....
As for the physics of the "time machine" well that has already been shown to be incorrect...the dudes math was all wrong...you can read about that in one of the links that Dre posted...here it is..
http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bb...ic;f=9;t=000482
As for the Civil rights being taken away from us.....here is ONE example that I just got off of MSN TODAY.......
Feds seek wiretap access via Voice Over IP... (internet based phone calls)
This states that the FBI/DEA/INS/Police can tap into your phone calls (internet based) at ANY TIME for ANY REASON WITHOUT the need for a warrant or a court order, furthermore it will require all VOIP (voice over IP) providers to rewire their networks so the police can tap into their database of customers easily and listen in on anyones conversation at any time.....I dunno about you but that seems pretty
up to me...I dont want anyone listening in on my phone conversations....that is PRIVATE, not to mention, what ever happened to our FREEDOM OF SPEACH?....they already have easy access to cell phone conversations and regular land lines are easy to access as well. The Gov't has already been snooping through peoples emails to look for "terrorists, domestic threats, etc." This gives them access to YOUR phone calls as well, which will lead to unlawful searches of residencies and arrests for pretty much any reason the gov't feels like. For example, some kid could be talking to his buddy about the joint they smoked last night, and before you know it he could have the DEA knocking down his door....and for what? a Joint? gimme a break.ever watch the news?
-Ted
p.s. Found ANOTHER example from MSN just now.....
U.S. defends traveler screening
This says:
"WASHINGTON - The Transportation Security Administration Monday rebuffed published reports that it will compel airlines to turn over passenger data records for use in a new computerized system intended to rank travelers for their terrorist potential based on a sweeping check of commercial and government databases."
Basically a background check for every passenger that travels on an airline....and the Gov't decides if you are "terrorist material" or not.
I'm going home now
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ooooooooooooooooooooooooh my god no they are going to listen to me talking about the new atmosphere record and my trip to bear valley or my roomates love life. I mean are they going to use this to keep the disidents inline and if not gaffle them? If that's so how do people like Chomsky, and Dorell make a living? How often do you here of unlawful search and siezure holding up in a court of law. Hell even Oj got off. Last time I checked in Berkley they still have a lot of freedom of speech. Last time I checked people were still able to participate in civil disobediance. Last time I checked it was illegal to smoke a j, but a helluva lot of people do it. Oh and man many conversation go on like that around the US without there door getting broken down. I mean come on. You can get Dorells book at Amazon and sites like eff.org, mother jones, all many other information sources exist. Oh and **** teh ACLU for supporting NAMBLA. If all my Civil Liberties are eroding away why do I have so much freedom to do and read what I want???????
that guys math is off by the way to a certain extent he was basing it off of the microsingularities being the size of an electron. When the "time traveler" stated they were in fact smaller then an electron.
Anyways the science is inherently flawed, (2.5% variance on an infinite number of possbilities?). But the social predections are strikingly dead on and possible. (the cert prediction was dead on)
Anyways the science is inherently flawed, (2.5% variance on an infinite number of possbilities?). But the social predections are strikingly dead on and possible. (the cert prediction was dead on)
Originally posted by seven881
ooooooooooooooooooooooooh my god no they are going to listen to me talking about the new atmosphere record and my trip to bear valley or my roomates love life. I mean are they going to use this to keep the disidents inline and if not gaffle them? If that's so how do people like Chomsky, and Dorell make a living? How often do you here of unlawful search and siezure holding up in a court of law. Hell even Oj got off. Last time I checked in Berkley they still have a lot of freedom of speech. Last time I checked people were still able to participate in civil disobediance. Last time I checked it was illegal to smoke a j, but a helluva lot of people do it. Oh and man many conversation go on like that around the US without there door getting broken down. I mean come on. You can get Dorells book at Amazon and sites like eff.org, mother jones, all many other information sources exist. Oh and **** teh ACLU for supporting NAMBLA. If all my Civil Liberties are eroding away why do I have so much freedom to do and read what I want???????
ooooooooooooooooooooooooh my god no they are going to listen to me talking about the new atmosphere record and my trip to bear valley or my roomates love life. I mean are they going to use this to keep the disidents inline and if not gaffle them? If that's so how do people like Chomsky, and Dorell make a living? How often do you here of unlawful search and siezure holding up in a court of law. Hell even Oj got off. Last time I checked in Berkley they still have a lot of freedom of speech. Last time I checked people were still able to participate in civil disobediance. Last time I checked it was illegal to smoke a j, but a helluva lot of people do it. Oh and man many conversation go on like that around the US without there door getting broken down. I mean come on. You can get Dorells book at Amazon and sites like eff.org, mother jones, all many other information sources exist. Oh and **** teh ACLU for supporting NAMBLA. If all my Civil Liberties are eroding away why do I have so much freedom to do and read what I want???????
Maybe you missed the part about being able to detain people with out acknowledgeing that the goverment has them in custody (basicly they disapear). Nor the need for formal charging or due proccess. Basicly patriot act has allowed for unlawful search and seziure and the suspension of due process when ever the goverment sees fit. That alone is bull****.
lets not forget this gem
- The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded ? individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).
Wow a country founded on civil disobedience now allowing for its citexens to get booted out of the country and their citizen ship revoked. nice
- The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded ? individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).
Wow a country founded on civil disobedience now allowing for its citexens to get booted out of the country and their citizen ship revoked. nice
add to it the ability for them to make you disapear since you are now a terrorist (rem if you practice any form of civil disobedience they dont like you can now be called a terrorist) and they can simple deny that you ever exsisted until you rot to death in some cage in cuba. Once again do i need to print this out in brail for ya or something? You dont seem to be reading the words that are coming out of my keyboard. DO i have the Moron filter on or something?
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Wow, this is a misrepresentation of the facts. This is NOT in the Patriot Act. This is the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003" which may or may not be real and it's sure as hell IS NOT LAW. If somehow this did make it past the house or senate it would be challenged by the supreme court has a violation of the 1st amendment and it should be.
Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
lets not forget this gem
- The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded ? individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).
Wow a country founded on civil disobedience now allowing for its citexens to get booted out of the country and their citizen ship revoked. nice
lets not forget this gem
- The reach of an already overbroad definition of terrorism would be expanded ? individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship (sec. 501); their organization could be subject to wiretapping (secs. 120, 121) and asset seizure (secs. 428, 428).
Wow a country founded on civil disobedience now allowing for its citexens to get booted out of the country and their citizen ship revoked. nice
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Ahhhh name calling... so a spirited political discussion has been reduced to that. I believe this is also referencing "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003" wich is not law. I may be wrong about that, but I don't have any listed refrences to check out.
Originally posted by dr3d1zzl3
add to it the ability for them to make you disapear since you are now a terrorist (rem if you practice any form of civil disobedience they dont like you can now be called a terrorist) and they can simple deny that you ever exsisted until you rot to death in some cage in cuba. Once again do i need to print this out in brail for ya or something? You dont seem to be reading the words that are coming out of my keyboard. DO i have the Moron filter on or something?
add to it the ability for them to make you disapear since you are now a terrorist (rem if you practice any form of civil disobedience they dont like you can now be called a terrorist) and they can simple deny that you ever exsisted until you rot to death in some cage in cuba. Once again do i need to print this out in brail for ya or something? You dont seem to be reading the words that are coming out of my keyboard. DO i have the Moron filter on or something?
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Civil war will have a new definition written within the next decade since we are in one now... It's not a physically one but an intelletual one. I can't be on either side because I don't know how to spell. Oh and the person or people that came up with the John Titor idea have succeded in their goal here.