Hey BAIC, don't forget 9/11
Thanks, slvrsubywgn for bastardizing this thread with your tin foil hat politics.
Anyway, seeing the 2nd plane hit and watching both towers fall in person left quite an impression on me. I'll surely never forget it, nor will I forget the way lower Manhattan smelt for the following few weeks.
Anyway, seeing the 2nd plane hit and watching both towers fall in person left quite an impression on me. I'll surely never forget it, nor will I forget the way lower Manhattan smelt for the following few weeks.
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Never forget.
Was in the 82nd Airborne Division and had just finished a long 10 mile run with my squad. My unit was on DRF1`meaning we were on immediate stand-by as the nation's 911. Was getting dressed into my BDUs when another team leader told me to come into his room to see the damage. There was a lot of speculation about terrorist activity and them BAM! The second plane hit. By that time the entire platoon was stuffed into this one room with white faces staring at the 32" screen. Next thing I heard was the 1SG barking down the hallway. "Nobody leaves the company area! Platoon Sergeants collect all cell phones, square away packing lists and draw weapons! We're going to war, gentlemen."
We had magazines full and were ready to deploy within 2 hours of the pentagon attack. We stayed on lock-down for a week with families stopping by the barracks to drop off food for loved ones, and to visit their children. We eventually went on an immediate DRF status with 1hr notice. Of course we never left immediately but everyone in the service was anxiously ready until Afghanistan months later.
Say what you will about the administration, about the questionability of Iraq and so forth. But I can say that on Sept 11th YOUR military worked with blood-thirsty efficiency. Tragic events during that day aside, looking back on how cohesive we worked was a thing of beauty and made me proud to be an American. RIP to all those that lost their lives that tragic day, and to those that have given their lives in the war on terrorism.
Was in the 82nd Airborne Division and had just finished a long 10 mile run with my squad. My unit was on DRF1`meaning we were on immediate stand-by as the nation's 911. Was getting dressed into my BDUs when another team leader told me to come into his room to see the damage. There was a lot of speculation about terrorist activity and them BAM! The second plane hit. By that time the entire platoon was stuffed into this one room with white faces staring at the 32" screen. Next thing I heard was the 1SG barking down the hallway. "Nobody leaves the company area! Platoon Sergeants collect all cell phones, square away packing lists and draw weapons! We're going to war, gentlemen."
We had magazines full and were ready to deploy within 2 hours of the pentagon attack. We stayed on lock-down for a week with families stopping by the barracks to drop off food for loved ones, and to visit their children. We eventually went on an immediate DRF status with 1hr notice. Of course we never left immediately but everyone in the service was anxiously ready until Afghanistan months later.
Say what you will about the administration, about the questionability of Iraq and so forth. But I can say that on Sept 11th YOUR military worked with blood-thirsty efficiency. Tragic events during that day aside, looking back on how cohesive we worked was a thing of beauty and made me proud to be an American. RIP to all those that lost their lives that tragic day, and to those that have given their lives in the war on terrorism.
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August 9th as well.
And just as people have the right to be angry at the US for using an untested and relatively unknown technology at the time, the US (and other asian countries) have a right to be angry at Japan for concealing instances of torture, the Death marches in bataan, usage of comfort women, etc during its occupation of the philipines, Korea, China, etc. They still have left this information out of most Japanese school text books which is also wrong. My grandfather fought for the US and I still got teased in middle school by a really old filipino yard duty teacher saying that I "killed his people". Ignorance really plays the part on both sides.
One reason that scared the US in to using that technology was the long drawn out battles in iwo jima, midway, solomon islands, new guinea, etc. If you understand why George Bush Sr. stayed out of Iraq (and seeing what is happening now), you'll see why the US tried to stay out of Japan as much as possible. Second reason was the secret technologies that Japan was developing before the A-bombs dropped. See their bubonic plague project below... They were discovered after the fact but would've been developed (which is a widely accepted consensus) if the US decided to balk at the decision to either invade the mainland or to drop the bombs.
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=31
I did see the airplanes they were developing on the History Channel once and were some of teh oddest looking airplanes I have ever seen. The Japanese had people in Germany and used their technology to build their own Me 262s - (ie the first jet planes to be used in combat). See the Kikka and the Shinden, below. The shinden was the first pusher prop configuration airplane that was going to be used if the war dragged on and had some performance advantages to the durable P-51
I keep quoting this article from popular mechanics for every conspiracy theorist out there. It doesn't explain everything conspiracy theorists have come up with since the article (if they have), but at that point, i really think they are reaching.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html
i remember that day, and i still mourn for them Seri. it was completely ****ed up what we did, and we DID NOT need to show that much force or cause that much destruction. there are more conventional ways to end a war....
so to reiterate, i for one, am sorry Seri, for the actions that a previous government that ran this nation did. for the crews that dropped two nukes, one on Nagasaki, and one on Hiroshima, killing millions of innocents, destroying land, and poisoning the whole area. we stopped Germany by using conventional bombs, theres no reason we couldnt have used normal weapons in this scenario.
and what really pisses me off about it is the loss if innocent life. its senseless!! they had no part in it, they were INNOCENT for christ's sake!! they were just living, never turned a gun on anyone.....
so to reiterate, i for one, am sorry Seri, for the actions that a previous government that ran this nation did. for the crews that dropped two nukes, one on Nagasaki, and one on Hiroshima, killing millions of innocents, destroying land, and poisoning the whole area. we stopped Germany by using conventional bombs, theres no reason we couldnt have used normal weapons in this scenario.
and what really pisses me off about it is the loss if innocent life. its senseless!! they had no part in it, they were INNOCENT for christ's sake!! they were just living, never turned a gun on anyone.....
One reason that scared the US in to using that technology was the long drawn out battles in iwo jima, midway, solomon islands, new guinea, etc. If you understand why George Bush Sr. stayed out of Iraq (and seeing what is happening now), you'll see why the US tried to stay out of Japan as much as possible. Second reason was the secret technologies that Japan was developing before the A-bombs dropped. See their bubonic plague project below... They were discovered after the fact but would've been developed (which is a widely accepted consensus) if the US decided to balk at the decision to either invade the mainland or to drop the bombs.
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=31
I did see the airplanes they were developing on the History Channel once and were some of teh oddest looking airplanes I have ever seen. The Japanese had people in Germany and used their technology to build their own Me 262s - (ie the first jet planes to be used in combat). See the Kikka and the Shinden, below. The shinden was the first pusher prop configuration airplane that was going to be used if the war dragged on and had some performance advantages to the durable P-51
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html
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Anyways, I say enough with the monkeys flinging p00 at each other. Lets just remember the people who lost their lives on that day.
Doesn't change the fact that this thread has run it's coarse. It went from a simple reminder of what happened to "how the govt. was behind it" to "who's types the better smart *** comments".
Doesn't look like anyone has contributed anything worth while on here for a while. I submit the thread dies.
Doesn't look like anyone has contributed anything worth while on here for a while. I submit the thread dies.
