Fine for no Cats...
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Originally Posted by mcowger
How is it unclear?
Aftermarket cats (hiflow or not) are legally sold in the US. If you install it on the car, you better either never run it on the road (e.g. off road only) or fall under the points outlined above.
Aftermarket cats (hiflow or not) are legally sold in the US. If you install it on the car, you better either never run it on the road (e.g. off road only) or fall under the points outlined above.
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Originally Posted by mcowger
Me? 1650 or so on the WRX.
(3) if the vehicle is more than 5 years old or has more than 50,000 miles*
(8 years/80,000 miles for 1995 and newer vehicles) and a legitimate need for
replacement has been established and appropriately documented (e.g., a
plugged converter or unrepairable exhaust leaks).
(1) the existing converter is present and functioning properly
(2) the replacement is under recall or warranty
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Nope. So?
You're suggesting that my installation of an aftermarket cat would be illegal. I know that. My argument was never about the legality question. Its was about the morality of it. The law doesn't agree with me, but I believe that replacing my stock cats with hiflow cats isn't wrong, as it should remain close to the same 'cleanliness'. I am well aware it would still be technically illegal.
Read my earlier posts again - If you run catless, its an indication you don't give a rats *** about those around you. Running with a couple highflow cats to achieve the same level of emissions but with greater flow is indicative that you respect those around you and intend to avoid more damage than normal/required. The letter of the law doesn't agree though, and if I get pulled over and my car inspected (no reason to think I should, as I don't drive like a nut and won't have a wake-up-the-neighbours exhaust note), I won't ***** about getting caught. I'll pay my fine and get ref'd.
You're suggesting that my installation of an aftermarket cat would be illegal. I know that. My argument was never about the legality question. Its was about the morality of it. The law doesn't agree with me, but I believe that replacing my stock cats with hiflow cats isn't wrong, as it should remain close to the same 'cleanliness'. I am well aware it would still be technically illegal.
Read my earlier posts again - If you run catless, its an indication you don't give a rats *** about those around you. Running with a couple highflow cats to achieve the same level of emissions but with greater flow is indicative that you respect those around you and intend to avoid more damage than normal/required. The letter of the law doesn't agree though, and if I get pulled over and my car inspected (no reason to think I should, as I don't drive like a nut and won't have a wake-up-the-neighbours exhaust note), I won't ***** about getting caught. I'll pay my fine and get ref'd.
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Originally Posted by kappaWRX
yeah where exactly where you at? is your car pretty fixed up and noticable? Wonder if the sleeper look helps... hope you get this resolved and behind you fast!
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Originally Posted by kappaWRX
yeah where exactly where you at? is your car pretty fixed up and noticable? Wonder if the sleeper look helps... hope you get this resolved and behind you fast!
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I don't think you can run the same emission levels as a catted car then a catted Highflow... I think it's different. So in a way... you're just sorta respecting the people around you, but not all the way. and in a way.. sounds like you're mocking whtwrxwgn for b1tching about getting caught when all he reallly wanted out of this post was advice, and a big hug.
-Hug for whtwrxwgn
-Hug for whtwrxwgn
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Actually, you can. Aftermarket cats are required to have the same efficiency as OEM cats. Read the EPA's docs again. If I put 2 or 3 aftermarket cats on the car, I should be able to meet the same efficinecy it started with (if not beat it).
As for mocking whtwrxwagon...not at all. I just think he ought to put some damn cats on the car. He doesnt' deserve a hug for running catless. Once he realizes that he ought to be running a cat or two, and does it, then I'll give him a hug
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As for mocking whtwrxwagon...not at all. I just think he ought to put some damn cats on the car. He doesnt' deserve a hug for running catless. Once he realizes that he ought to be running a cat or two, and does it, then I'll give him a hug
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Originally Posted by sireatalot
I don't think you can run the same emission levels as a catted car then a catted Highflow... I think it's different. So in a way... you're just sorta respecting the people around you, but not all the way. and in a way.. sounds like you're mocking whtwrxwgn for b1tching about getting caught when all he reallly wanted out of this post was advice, and a big hug.
-Hug for whtwrxwgn
-Hug for whtwrxwgn
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Originally Posted by WHTWRXWGN
I was off of San Pablo Ave. in the new developments over there...
oh damn I know where you were! Wow
Originally Posted by WHTWRXWGN
And my car was not noticable at all...I had stocks on because I just came from the snow, with the snowboard racks on...looked like a stock WRX except for it being lowered and the exhaust, I even have my front license on......
Damn just surprised that cops are doign something about it. Hey its only bad if you get caught..
Wish you the best and in another 5 years from now you will be laughing about this moment!
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Originally Posted by kappaWRX
oh damn I know where you were! Wow
So what type of exhaust do you have?
Damn just surprised that cops are doign something about it. Hey its only bad if you get caught..
Wish you the best and in another 5 years from now you will be laughing about this moment!
So what type of exhaust do you have?
Damn just surprised that cops are doign something about it. Hey its only bad if you get caught..
Wish you the best and in another 5 years from now you will be laughing about this moment!


