Originally Posted by mcowger

Fine. 25HP. Big deal. Small price to pay for being a responsible citizen.

Originally Posted by WHTWRXWGN

well, I'm not exactly sure, I have the helix UP and its pretty shiny, so when he was lighting it up with his flashlight, he might have gotten a little bling in his eye...he took a bunch of picks under the hood, and on the ticket it doesn't specify what parts. I would just be cautious and put on heatshields to cover stuff up, because I'm sure he took pics to show other cops what to look for....

Originally Posted by porkchop

so does this mean you don't speed either? shouldn't you be driving a prius then?

I was just stating what we have found, and posted the correct data, no need to get your tree hugger panties in a bunch..

Originally Posted by mcowger

I fail to see how being concerned about your cars effect on the people around you compares to a theory of class struggle, but then again, most people don't understand what socialism really is/means. Besides, calling my point 'drivel' doesn't make it so.

I would prefer that we don't have junky cars with bad cats on the road, and if a measure came before the people restricting that even further, then I vote in favor of it. Until then, however, that doesn't absolve you of YOUR responsibilty to do YOUR part, does it?

Again, I ask, why CANT you run a highflow cat? According to RandomTech (who make a number of highflow cats, they dont' reduce power at all, and in some limited cases (albeit cases that don't apply to a small turbo engine) they saw an increase in power.

It comes down to selfishness. You don't care about the wellbeing of others and the rest of the world around you, so you choose to run illegally and contaminate the environment rather than take a 5HP reduction. How about this? Why not lose 10lbs and take the 5HP cut.....just as much accelaration, and better for you as well!

As for highflows not working very well? Just plain false. Since all catalytic converters must meet standards established by the Environmental Protection Agency, (EPA) their efficiency in controlling pollutants is a given - provided a particular converter is installed on the type of vehicle for which it was designed.

As for legality in CA. They are legal. However, it is ILLEGAL to replace a functional cat with another one. So, unless yours is broken, it is technically illegal to replace it even witha highflow version. But my argument here isn't about legality, its about morality.

Running catless means you don't care about the wellbeing of others and the rest of the world around you, so you choose to run illegally and contaminate the environment rather than take a 5HP reduction.

Originally Posted by sireatalot

Where did you get that it's legal to have that? it still pollutes the air more so than having a catted

Originally Posted by mcowger

I don't speed on public roads - I keep my fast agressive driving on the track where it belongs. $30 for the safety of a track with nothing to hit and no chance of cops is a small price to pay for me. Why should I be driving a Prius if I choose not to break the law?

I thankyou for posting better data than I had. I'm not unhappy about your posting the data.

What gets my 'tree hugger panties in a bunch' is people who think its OK to run catless and then complain about it!

Originally Posted by mcowger

Indeed - and I intend to go for more power than I have (currently at 182awhp/181tq). When I do however, I intend to run a TBE with a catted DP and a cat somewhere else as well (either in the UP if I can find a decent catted UP or after the DP).

Originally Posted by mcowger

Huh? I very clearly stated that removing a functioning cat is ILLEGAL.

Morally, however, running catless is FAR worse than running aftermarket hiflow cats when compared to the stock exhaust. Aftermarket cats are REQUIRED to perform to a certain degree, so they are far better than catless.

Originally Posted by porkchop

I don't think anyone think it's OK to run catless.. people mod their cars and knows the consequences. The Post that started this thread was asking how much the fine would be, and not blaming the police for their findings.

Originally Posted by WRX Rush

Well I think some people just dont care enough, check out the link I left a few posts above and it shows how many people think catyletic convertors in general are stupid.

Rush

Originally Posted by WRX Rush

Well I think some people just dont care enough, check out the link I left a few posts above and it shows how many people think catyletic convertors in general are stupid.

Rush