Exhaust to loud- cop wants a "call"
06-04-2013, 07:04 PM
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Exhaust to loud- cop wants a "call"
Hi there,
So I go to my girlfriend's house on my way home from work sometime around 8 and usually leave a couple hours later. She has a pesky neighbor that complained to the cops about my car being loud, she also gathered up some other neighbors to do that to. She's like that.
Anyways, Here's an email I got from my gf's dad.
Robby:
The officer below came to the house yesterday and spoke to Jeremy, left his card and asked that I call him about your car (Jeremy told the officer that the car he described was yours -- "ahh, that is Robby's car, my sister Ashley's boyfriend"). I called him. He said that several neighbors complained (it could be Linda Murphy, a neighborhood lawyer who rallies the neighbors on neighborhood issues). The officer wants to meet with you. If you call him and meet with him, he said he would look at the car and let you know whether it was legal and would not ticket you. However, if you do not call him and he sees the car, he said he will issue a ticket.
You can do as you think is best. I kind of think you need to call him if you plan to park in the neighborhood. I do not know if it was Linda Murphy who complained, but she has been a persistent enforcer of neighborhood violations. She regularly calls the police and encourages all to call the police when they see solicitors (remember the solicitor arrested in our front yard?), or when other violations occur (she got the police involved in compelling a neighbor to trim his bushes on a corner lot), or when neighborhood action seems appropriate (rallying neighbors to attend public hearings, etc.).
sorry to bear unhappy news
peter
What do you think I should do?
Legal ramifications? etc... I don't want to call him. He doesn't know what kind of car I have, and it is illegal lol. No cats.
Let me know
So I go to my girlfriend's house on my way home from work sometime around 8 and usually leave a couple hours later. She has a pesky neighbor that complained to the cops about my car being loud, she also gathered up some other neighbors to do that to. She's like that.
Anyways, Here's an email I got from my gf's dad.
Robby:
The officer below came to the house yesterday and spoke to Jeremy, left his card and asked that I call him about your car (Jeremy told the officer that the car he described was yours -- "ahh, that is Robby's car, my sister Ashley's boyfriend"). I called him. He said that several neighbors complained (it could be Linda Murphy, a neighborhood lawyer who rallies the neighbors on neighborhood issues). The officer wants to meet with you. If you call him and meet with him, he said he would look at the car and let you know whether it was legal and would not ticket you. However, if you do not call him and he sees the car, he said he will issue a ticket.
You can do as you think is best. I kind of think you need to call him if you plan to park in the neighborhood. I do not know if it was Linda Murphy who complained, but she has been a persistent enforcer of neighborhood violations. She regularly calls the police and encourages all to call the police when they see solicitors (remember the solicitor arrested in our front yard?), or when other violations occur (she got the police involved in compelling a neighbor to trim his bushes on a corner lot), or when neighborhood action seems appropriate (rallying neighbors to attend public hearings, etc.).
sorry to bear unhappy news
peter
What do you think I should do?
Legal ramifications? etc... I don't want to call him. He doesn't know what kind of car I have, and it is illegal lol. No cats.
Let me know
Last edited by RobbyRing; 06-28-2013 at 12:30 AM.
06-04-2013, 07:09 PM
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Tell that neighbor to F**K herself along with Jeremy or and whoever complained. As long as you didn't smash through the neighborhood and drive like an idiot. I don't see why you should meet up with a cop who would possibly to cite you regardless. Park around the corner or something. If she has a garage at her place, she if you can use that.
06-04-2013, 07:34 PM
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If you want to stick it to the uppity old broad the best option is to put on an OEM downpipe with a loud cat-back and let the cop see it and confirm that it "IS legal after all" so he can go back and tell her that there is nothing he can do. Only take you a couple hours to switch it on and off.
Or you can admit you have an illegal setup by avoiding the cop and wait for her to call him again when you show up after work. Then you get a ticket and you need to smog or maybe even state ref your car if you have a ton of work done.
Or just leave your girlfriend.
Or you can admit you have an illegal setup by avoiding the cop and wait for her to call him again when you show up after work. Then you get a ticket and you need to smog or maybe even state ref your car if you have a ton of work done.
Or just leave your girlfriend.
06-23-2013, 09:48 PM
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Put stock exhaust back on and meet with him lol! Even a different muffler is illegal in ca I think ( had to swap exhausts after exhaust ticket) and then just put it back on. Or get a borla hush or something. That lady is such a biotch.... Should get the local guys to come rev by her house all at once.
06-23-2013, 09:55 PM
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Some ppl are loosers............ You didn't do anything wrong, nor did they even see your vehicle being mobile....... And are trying to ticket you? LOL
Play it smart, but you don't have to do anything. Just don't get caught by the proposed "officer" with illegal modifications. Learn the law and use it against them.
Play it smart, but you don't have to do anything. Just don't get caught by the proposed "officer" with illegal modifications. Learn the law and use it against them.
06-24-2013, 10:54 AM
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remember kids,
swapping your cat-back exhaust is NOT ILLEGAL, as long as you are below the db limit that the state has imposed.
I would say meet up with the cop and have him inspect your car. If he really wants he can do the audio test (majority of our cars are well under the 95db limit, you would be surprised). After you show you are under the limit, your GFs neighbor can eat a ... yeah.
here is a good read, but its a lot of info
(1) Sound Level Limit. The exhaust noise shall not exceed 95 dB(A).
California's Modified Exhaust Law
California's Laws Regarding Modified Exhaust:
A Perspective
It has come to the attention of Bob's Muffler that some California police officers are issuing summonses to California drivers who have aftermarket exhausts on their vehicles. Bob's Muffler feels this unfairly targets the people who chose to purchase our products for legal use on the streets and public highways of California. Bob's Muffler wants to examine the actual law and the areas it covers. We wish to educate our customers.
CA. V.C. 27151 No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of such vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5(commencing with Section 27200) of this chapter. No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
This shows that there are other characteristics that the exhaust system must conform to truly show a violation. This also shows that other vehicle codes must be considered when in violation of this vehicle code.
CA. V.C. 27150 (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and proper maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device. (c) The provision of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local governmental authority having jurisdiction.
Part (a) states that the muffler must suppress any excessive or unusual noise. This refers to part (b) which states that the muffler must meet the requirements of Article 2.5, which refers to noise levels. Part (a) and (b) also refer to a cut-away, bypass or similar device commonly known as a "dump."
CA.V.C. 27200 (a) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall not register on a dealer's report of sale a new motor vehicle, except an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000), Which produces a maximum noise exceeding the applicable noise limit at a distance of 50 feet from the centerline of travel under test procedures established by the Department of Highway Patrol.
(b) The Department of Motor Vehicles may accept a dealer's certificate as proof of compliance with this article. (c) Test procedures for compliance with this article shall be established by the Department of the California Highway Patrol, taking into consideration the testing procedures of the Society of Automotive Engineers.
Part (c) of this section says that the California Highway Patrol shall set the testing standards in the for of California Code of Regulation, Title 13, Article 9, Section 1036 as denoted in letter from the Department of California Highway Patrol file 60.A9190.A9181.062.9610186.
CCR 1036 Passenger Cars and Light Trucks and Buses
Exhaust systems for motor vehicles, other than motorcycles, gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 LB (2,722 kg) shall comply with the specified noise limits when tested in accordance with the following specifications:
(a) Measuring Site. The vehicle under test shall be positioned either on outdoor pavement or on a shop floor ( but not over a hoist or pit) in a location where the exhaust outlets are near an open shop door. No sound-reflecting surface other than the pavement and the vehicle being measured shall be within 10 ft (3.0m) of any part of the vehicle.
The testing is done in an environment in which there is minimal sound contamination. Please note that there is nothing stating highways or other public roads as being an exception to this criterion.
(b) Microphone Location. The microphone for the sound level meter shall be at the same height as the center of the exhaust outlet. The microphone shall be no closer to the pavement than 8 in. (203mm) when the exhaust outlet is lower than this height. The microphone shall be positioned with its longitudinal axis parallel to the ground, 20 inches plus or minus 1 inch (508mm plus or minus 24mm) from the nearest edge of the exhaust outlet, and 45 degrees plus or minus 10 degrees from the axis of the outlet. For exhaust outlets located under the vehicle body, the microphone shall be located at the specified angle and at least 8 in., (203mm) from the nearest part of the vehicle. For exhaust outlets that make an angle of 45 degree or less with the longitudinal axis of the vehicle, the microphone shall be outboard of the exhaust axis. For exhaust outlet angles of more than 45 degrees, the microphone shall be on the side of the exhaust axis to the rear of the vehicle.
This denotes where the sound measuring device is relatively close to the exhaust outlet. Notice that it does not make any references to provisions for sound level testing done from distances greater than 21 inches. <
(c) Engine Operation. The engine shall be at a normal running temperature with the transmission in neutral. System sound level measurements conducted for certification by exhaust manufacturers shall be made at an average steady-state engine speed of three-quarters of maximum rpm. Sound level measurements conducted by licensed muffler certification stations shall be made at an average steady-state engine speed of 3,000 rpm for vehicles manufactured before 1972 for which the station does not have a maximum rpm data.
Please notice that the engine is supposed to be running and the law has no provisions for parked vehicles. Note that the certification can be done by the manufacturer of the exhaust system. There is no requirement that the manufacturer sound test each individual vehicle. Re: "licensed muffler certification stations," the letter from the California Highway Patrol file Number 60.A9190.A9181.062.9610186 states in the third paragraph that these facilities were canceled in 1978 due to budgetary cut-backs.
(d) Exhaust Sound Level Measurement. The recorded exhaust system sound level of a stationary vehicle shall be the highest reading obtained during the test, disregarding unrelated peaks due to extraneous ambient noise. When there is more than one exhaust outlet, the reported sound level shall be for the loudest outlet. When there are two or more exhaust outlets separated by less than 12 in. (305mm), measurements shall be made on the outlet closest to the side or rear of the vehicle. (Figure 4). The sound level for the motor vehicles with the manufacturers' gross vehicle ratings of less than 6,000 LB (2,722 kg) except motorcycles, shall not exceed the following limit:
The statement stating extraneous ambient noise refers to noise coming from places other than the exhaust. For this reason, testing cannot be done in a sound-contaminated environment. It would be logical that a roadside or a highway would be a sound-contaminated environment.
(1) Sound Level Limit. The exhaust noise shall not exceed 95 dB(A).
This is very straightforward and should leave nothing to interpretation.
(2) Exemption. The exhaust noise of vehicles manufactured after 1967 may exceed 95 dB(A) if the replacement parts are no louder than the original equipment or "factory duplicate" system and the total sound level of the vehicle when tested in accordance with Sections 1040 through 1049 of this title complies with the limits in Vehicle Code Section 27205 for the year of manufacture of that vehicle.
This has been an attempt to clarify California Vehicle Code 27151 for many people who do not have an adequate understanding of this code. Bob's Muffler does not guarantee favorable results in defending one's self against a noise ticket since extenuating circumstances can affect the outcome in any court. Also keep in mind that it is your right to apply for an appeal.
View the CHP bulletin (Takes approximately 3 mins. to download @40000 kbps)
swapping your cat-back exhaust is NOT ILLEGAL, as long as you are below the db limit that the state has imposed.
I would say meet up with the cop and have him inspect your car. If he really wants he can do the audio test (majority of our cars are well under the 95db limit, you would be surprised). After you show you are under the limit, your GFs neighbor can eat a ... yeah.
here is a good read, but its a lot of info
(1) Sound Level Limit. The exhaust noise shall not exceed 95 dB(A).
California's Modified Exhaust Law
Originally Posted by bobsmufflers.com
California's Laws Regarding Modified Exhaust:
A Perspective
It has come to the attention of Bob's Muffler that some California police officers are issuing summonses to California drivers who have aftermarket exhausts on their vehicles. Bob's Muffler feels this unfairly targets the people who chose to purchase our products for legal use on the streets and public highways of California. Bob's Muffler wants to examine the actual law and the areas it covers. We wish to educate our customers.
CA. V.C. 27151 No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of such vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5(commencing with Section 27200) of this chapter. No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
This shows that there are other characteristics that the exhaust system must conform to truly show a violation. This also shows that other vehicle codes must be considered when in violation of this vehicle code.
CA. V.C. 27150 (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.
(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and proper maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device. (c) The provision of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local governmental authority having jurisdiction.
Part (a) states that the muffler must suppress any excessive or unusual noise. This refers to part (b) which states that the muffler must meet the requirements of Article 2.5, which refers to noise levels. Part (a) and (b) also refer to a cut-away, bypass or similar device commonly known as a "dump."
CA.V.C. 27200 (a) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall not register on a dealer's report of sale a new motor vehicle, except an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000), Which produces a maximum noise exceeding the applicable noise limit at a distance of 50 feet from the centerline of travel under test procedures established by the Department of Highway Patrol.
(b) The Department of Motor Vehicles may accept a dealer's certificate as proof of compliance with this article. (c) Test procedures for compliance with this article shall be established by the Department of the California Highway Patrol, taking into consideration the testing procedures of the Society of Automotive Engineers.
Part (c) of this section says that the California Highway Patrol shall set the testing standards in the for of California Code of Regulation, Title 13, Article 9, Section 1036 as denoted in letter from the Department of California Highway Patrol file 60.A9190.A9181.062.9610186.
CCR 1036 Passenger Cars and Light Trucks and Buses
Exhaust systems for motor vehicles, other than motorcycles, gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 LB (2,722 kg) shall comply with the specified noise limits when tested in accordance with the following specifications:
(a) Measuring Site. The vehicle under test shall be positioned either on outdoor pavement or on a shop floor ( but not over a hoist or pit) in a location where the exhaust outlets are near an open shop door. No sound-reflecting surface other than the pavement and the vehicle being measured shall be within 10 ft (3.0m) of any part of the vehicle.
The testing is done in an environment in which there is minimal sound contamination. Please note that there is nothing stating highways or other public roads as being an exception to this criterion.
(b) Microphone Location. The microphone for the sound level meter shall be at the same height as the center of the exhaust outlet. The microphone shall be no closer to the pavement than 8 in. (203mm) when the exhaust outlet is lower than this height. The microphone shall be positioned with its longitudinal axis parallel to the ground, 20 inches plus or minus 1 inch (508mm plus or minus 24mm) from the nearest edge of the exhaust outlet, and 45 degrees plus or minus 10 degrees from the axis of the outlet. For exhaust outlets located under the vehicle body, the microphone shall be located at the specified angle and at least 8 in., (203mm) from the nearest part of the vehicle. For exhaust outlets that make an angle of 45 degree or less with the longitudinal axis of the vehicle, the microphone shall be outboard of the exhaust axis. For exhaust outlet angles of more than 45 degrees, the microphone shall be on the side of the exhaust axis to the rear of the vehicle.
This denotes where the sound measuring device is relatively close to the exhaust outlet. Notice that it does not make any references to provisions for sound level testing done from distances greater than 21 inches. <
(c) Engine Operation. The engine shall be at a normal running temperature with the transmission in neutral. System sound level measurements conducted for certification by exhaust manufacturers shall be made at an average steady-state engine speed of three-quarters of maximum rpm. Sound level measurements conducted by licensed muffler certification stations shall be made at an average steady-state engine speed of 3,000 rpm for vehicles manufactured before 1972 for which the station does not have a maximum rpm data.
Please notice that the engine is supposed to be running and the law has no provisions for parked vehicles. Note that the certification can be done by the manufacturer of the exhaust system. There is no requirement that the manufacturer sound test each individual vehicle. Re: "licensed muffler certification stations," the letter from the California Highway Patrol file Number 60.A9190.A9181.062.9610186 states in the third paragraph that these facilities were canceled in 1978 due to budgetary cut-backs.
(d) Exhaust Sound Level Measurement. The recorded exhaust system sound level of a stationary vehicle shall be the highest reading obtained during the test, disregarding unrelated peaks due to extraneous ambient noise. When there is more than one exhaust outlet, the reported sound level shall be for the loudest outlet. When there are two or more exhaust outlets separated by less than 12 in. (305mm), measurements shall be made on the outlet closest to the side or rear of the vehicle. (Figure 4). The sound level for the motor vehicles with the manufacturers' gross vehicle ratings of less than 6,000 LB (2,722 kg) except motorcycles, shall not exceed the following limit:
The statement stating extraneous ambient noise refers to noise coming from places other than the exhaust. For this reason, testing cannot be done in a sound-contaminated environment. It would be logical that a roadside or a highway would be a sound-contaminated environment.
(1) Sound Level Limit. The exhaust noise shall not exceed 95 dB(A).
This is very straightforward and should leave nothing to interpretation.
(2) Exemption. The exhaust noise of vehicles manufactured after 1967 may exceed 95 dB(A) if the replacement parts are no louder than the original equipment or "factory duplicate" system and the total sound level of the vehicle when tested in accordance with Sections 1040 through 1049 of this title complies with the limits in Vehicle Code Section 27205 for the year of manufacture of that vehicle.
This has been an attempt to clarify California Vehicle Code 27151 for many people who do not have an adequate understanding of this code. Bob's Muffler does not guarantee favorable results in defending one's self against a noise ticket since extenuating circumstances can affect the outcome in any court. Also keep in mind that it is your right to apply for an appeal.
View the CHP bulletin (Takes approximately 3 mins. to download @40000 kbps)
06-24-2013, 11:27 AM
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Either way, how the hell is he gonna write a ticket without a license, vin, car to even write one? Give the residence a ticket for disturbing the peace or some other noise violation, that they can't prove that THEY did it. Either way, save the trouble and swap the exhaust and meet him.
06-24-2013, 11:31 AM
#14
^^^ Yep doesn't hurt to just swap it back to stock and roll on it for a while and then put all your goodies back on.
"you suppose to be up in the morning cooking breakfast or something, its like an alarm clock. woooot wooooot"
Last edited by mistaanime; 06-24-2013 at 11:34 AM.
06-24-2013, 11:39 AM
#15
Swap the DP, call the officer and also submit a complain to his supervisor about the whole bull**** "I'll ticket if you don't call" part. make it clear that you have no legal obligation to call him, nor does he have any right to write you any kind of ticket since he didn't see or hear your car in the first place.
what a joke
what a joke
