if you are robbed at gunpoint, your surrender your possesions out of FEAR not RESPECT.

 

Hey guys i'm thinking of doing the same, have been since I was 18 but never bought one. I just use my buddies every once and a while. I was thinking for home protection if you could load like 2-3 rubber bullets or bean bags and then real round after that? that seems like a pretty fair way to do it. If they keep coming use the the real round.


Also I have to say, anyone who thinks the police come in seconds and save the day has probably never had to call them. Also if the cops do come and the guys are still there they are fearing of going to jail and will be much more likely to actually blow you and your family away, imo. anywhoo........

1 more thing. When you go get trained and using a shotgun so to speak, you aren't being taught how to "kill people" it's not like the army. They are teaching you gun safety, not the best ways to blow people away and how to be an amazing shot". thats retarded.......

 

I have 3 shotguns, all vary from low to high in price and quality.

Mossberg 500: In my opinion the BEST cheap home defense weapon you can ever buy. It's basically the AK-47 of the shotgun world. Nothing fancy, more reliable than you'll ever need it to be, and can be had for $200 in a security model. Doesn't feel as nice as the Remington 870 when you're holding it, but in the end will shoot a round exactly the same way and possibly even more reliably. I have had it for years, fired thousands of rounds through it and have never even wiped it down and it still fires every time I pull the trigger. Hell. I even bring it to teh forest with me just in case I come across some poison oak, and if I do find it, I will shoot it "away". .

2. Remington 870 police model. Basically a more "luxurious" version of the Mossberg 500. The best way I can describe it would be to call it a Lexus IS300, and the Mossberg 500 would be a Civic. Same gun really but the 870 has higher tolerences which make it feel "more quality"... not to mention with a "better" finish and more appealing plastic. Both are pump action and hold 8-9 rounds each.

3. Benelli M4 semi-automatic shotgun. Basically the Ferrari of the shotgun world. Lower capacity, no pumping needed, pretty damn reliable. but will cost you well over a thousand dollars. However, if you have the money to spend, you can unload 6-7 rounds in ONE second if you need to. Fast as you can pull the trigger. Something to think about.


The 500 is $200ish, the 870 is $300+ish, and the Benelli M4 is $1300ish. However, if I needed a shotgun for home defense I'd grab the Remington 870 every time even though the Mossberg 500 is more reliable and has higher capacity, I just love the feel of my "lexus IS300" over my civic.




PS: Don't buy guns, they are only for evil people.

 

^^^ thanks for the tips. thats really helpful.

i think you are missing the point there.

Ggame stated that if someone need to take a course on how to use a shot gun they shouldn't get one.

so i said NO one need to take course to shoot a gun. but need to learn how to use the gun correctly.

i know how to shoot the gun. but i don't know how to proper take care of the gun. SO i need to take a course on it. but you said if someone need to take a course on how to use a shot gun, they shouldn't buy one. that don't make sense

 

that is why i said you DON't need take take training course to pull the trigger

 

I have over 15 years of firearms experience, I'm NO WHERE NEAR an expert even though I've taken a bunch of classes and was even trained in a police academy... But I don't really have any formal shotgun training and really wish I did. It's one thing to shoot a shotgun at a target, but a whole nother thing to shoot at a MOVING HUMAN target in a VERY high stress situation... I've been in high stress situations for pistols and rifles, but never shotguns... My training from pistols and rifles carries over, but shotguns are very unique and if used properly, you won't even even have to fire a round... However, like Iron Man says, "I respectfully disagree that the best way to use a weapon is to never use it, I think the best way to use a weapon is having to only use it ONCE".


In a course you don't only learn how to pull a trigger and aim, you learn techniques to evade, overcome, and to be invisible... in a fire fight you WANT EVER ADVANTAGE YOU CAN POSSIBLY HAVE, if that means you have a better shooting stance than the intruder and thats it because otherwise you're evenly matched, so be it.


People shrug off training thinking they will never need it, but when I was involved in a real life situation that I will never go public with, I'm really glad I had training on my side, it's the only thing that saved my life, without it I'd be in prison or dead.

"The more you know about the mountain, the better you can move it" - Bruce Lee

 

Also, the birdshot Vs Buckshot debate.


There's a website called "Box of truth"
http://www.theboxotruth.com/

Quite possibly one of the most informative ballistics websites on the planet. Run by a gun enthusiast that shoots everything to anything to see the end result. If you look at his birdshot (low power charge with 200 small lead bbs) Vs Buckshot (HIGH power charge with LARGE bbs), you'll see that birdshot, which is is designed to disperse in a large pattern to kill birds in flight (moving targets) has very low penetration power, but being shot with 200 lead bbs at high velocity is enough to stop most people, however, it is NOT enough to stop someone on drugs or very high pain tolerance in their tracks, not to mention poor shot placement. However, the birdshot does NOT penetrate walls like its bigger brother Buck shot. It will stay inside the intruder, and he will probably die on the operating table as they are removing the rounds from him, which is great, but doesn't help you in a defense situation... If you can pull a trigger, or swipe his deadly weapons (arms are the most dangerous parts of the body, they are priority to disable), then you're dead.

Buck shot on the other hand is a whole different can of worms... The charge is 3x stronger than birdshot, which means a much bigger percussion, large recoil and flash, and LOTS of stopping power. The bbs that fly out of buck shot are much larger than that of birdshot, and there's only a dozen+ or so bbs depending on what kind of round you get vs 200. Those bbs are like individual bullets, it's like getting shot 12 times from a small round all at once, very violent and will sever flesh and bone without hesitation and can literally blow off limbs, I've seen it happen. However, there is a downside to buckshot... Since the round is so violent it's VERY dangerous to fire in a populated area since the bbs don't stop in the body, they keep going and will go through walls, wood, sheet rock like hot butter, so if you have loved ones or neighbors near by, buck shot is NOT the best idea for home defense unless you're going to PERFECTLY place a shot with no collateral damage.

Just something to think about.


The make specialty defense rounds that are best of both worlds, but they are often expensive as hell and you can't test fire them without spending and arm and a leg.

 

i am not missing a major point. where did i say anything about a safe?


since i have no kids, i cant talk about this.

but as a young child, my father would let us shoot his firearms. but i forget WHEN he sat me down and showed me the single revolver he had. his history with guns is in the competiting world (small bore rifles). so he gave me a speech about where it was, and WHEN i was to go to that revolver.

thank goodness i never had to go to that revolver...

umm ok...

that's being a good responsible firearm owner...

what?
why should a firearm be feared? only bad guys should fear ME because of my firearms...

plus i feared the wrath my father when he caught me playing with his firearms with his knowlegde... and that only happened once.
well i'll have to disagree with this one...

 

I suppose I read a bit more into it than I should have, but I see your point. Though the specifics will vary depending on one's views/opinions, we can agree that taking some sort of gun course is a good idea. That was really my main point. Good luck with your purchase.

 

Basically everything I wanted to say, except he actually said it and did so from experience.

 

actually, the 870 comes in various flavors. the cheapest ones like the ones you sometimes see for sale at BIG 5 for around $300 is the most basic.

then have you have police versions. from what i read in various remmie forums, the police versions are given special treatment at a separate division. but the innards are the same.

another is the marine version which gets a special finish to handle the special needs.

another variation is the added packages to the standard 870, like my 870 tacti-cool package which recieved an AR type collapsible stock with a pistol grip from knoxx and what i call a HULK green finish. it also had a 7+1 shell magazine add-on tube. also they had a new choke system. actually, you cant swap out chokes like other 870s.

then you have you traditional hunting style 870s.

although my favorite and one i currently cannot get in kalifornia is their MCS or modular combat system 870...

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/870mcs.htm

this is my SHTF setup:




damnit... NOW you tell me...

 

^^^^

I don't know why that picture cracked me up so badly... LOL, I'd almost rather have that then a real grenade launcher! Who needs .50bmg when you have 5.56 AND 12 gauge!

 

oh come on Daniel....

You never know when gang members or zombies will attack you from 800+ meters out in a lightly armored vehicle...

That's when the "fiddy" comes out and play...

 

Killer Zombies?

 

If you got the cash I would reccomend the Benelli M1 Super 90. Mine has the pistol grip, blinder light, and extended barrel to hold more shots. I can go 7 loaded and 1 on deck. Makes for some really fun clay pigeon shooting and I would have to say shooting 8 3.5" slugs in semi auto fashion is as next to godliness I have ever come. They are so light you can fire two at once. No rattles, really a solid piece. "The Ferrari of shotguns". The M4 is siack too but I really like the M1 Super90 myself.