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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 04:22 PM
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Again how does it harm either you or your children that they are gay? And doesn't the bible teach acceptance of other for who they are?
It doesn't, but like I said my morals are not so weak as to allow me to endorse something I'm against. The Bible doesn't teach us to endorse that which we know is wrong, and the bible certainly does not endorse homosexuality. In fact was that not one of the reasons Sodom and Gamora were distroyed?

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Oh and I hope you don't have any friends that are divorced since the Bible teaches that is wrong too.
So two wrongs make a right? Them being gay and straights being divorced equals them having the right to marry?
The Bible On Divorce
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
So instead of understanding that people are different than you, wow what a concept, and have different beliefs your going to push your beliefs on them. If you don't concider that pushing your beliefs on them then you are taking away the rights that you have from them. Imagine if you where the minority group, imagine how you would feel if others did that to you.
I understand that they are "different", and as far as pushing my beliefs on them this has turned into a case of them pushing their beliefs on me, and them losing. People are constantly trying to take away my rights, but these rights that we are "taking away" are rights that have never been in this country. No man has had the right to marry another man in this country and likewise women. Are we going to start giving them that right? It seems the answer is no.

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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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Bigot is one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. You fit that perfectly, since you believe that your are a "moral" person and homosexuals are not. You are exactly what I concider what is wrong with this country. HellaDumb has just been demoted as the most out there person in this board by you. ****, atleast I actually find HellaDumb funny at times.

Originally Posted by deyes
It doesn't, but like I said my morals are not so weak as to allow me to endorse something I'm against. The Bible doesn't teach us to endorse that which we know is wrong, and the bible certainly does not endorse homosexuality. In fact was that not one of the reasons Sodom and Gamora were distroyed?
You might concider yourself "moral" yet you are forgetting a lot of the teachings of the bible. You are supposed to lead by example are you not? You are supposed to accept others for who they are? Are you not? Not only are you making yourself look bad but your making other religious people like myself look bad. I deplore people like you. Not only are you morals wrong they are very weak.


Originally Posted by deyes
So two wrongs make a right? Them being gay and straights being divorced equals them having the right to marry?
The Bible On Divorce
Scroll down to "What About Those Who Have Already Been Divorced?"
No two wrongs don't make a right but you sure do believe so. In one instance you agree that it does not harm you in anyway that they are gay. But in the other instance you constrict, with your beliefs, what they can or can not do. Not only does the bible disagree with your intolerant beliefs I think its the BACKBONE of what christians are about. Concider Jesus gave up his life because his beliefs where hated by others.

Originally Posted by deyes
I understand that they are "different", and as far as pushing my beliefs on them this has turned into a case of them pushing their beliefs on me, and them losing. People are constantly trying to take away my rights, but these rights that we are "taking away" are rights that have never been in this country. No man has had the right to marry another man in this country and likewise women. Are we going to start giving them that right? It seems the answer is no.
How are they taking away your rights? Please explain to me how giving them basic rights as human being is taking that right away from you. They are not just "different" they are BORN that way. Science backs this fact. Actually several animals have homosexual tendencies. And its not only that, there is a chemical difference in homosexual individuals than straight individuals. (Not to mention who would want to be gay growing up with all this religious stigma shown by people like deyes? Im sure people choose to get beat up.) How are they pushing there beliefs on you? Are they telling you to become gay? What they are telling you is that they should have the same rights you should no matter what beliefs they have. Maybe you don't get it but not everyone believes in god. Why should they? Why must they believe in what you believe to have the same rights as you? It seems to me that you are arguing something based on your FAITH. Why is your faith greater than there faith? What makes your religion better than theres? And like always MIGHT does not make RIGHT.

Its funny how a lot of Christians forget that they where the oppressed people when there religion started. How quickly they forget that, they stood up for what they believed in. And now that others are doing the same they push them down. People like you make me sick. Your a walking contradiction and can not back it up with a valid argument besides what your "faith" tells you. I really hope you take the time and re-read the parts of the bible that say to lead by example and to love others. Because you really missed that part.
Old Nov 4, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I wasn't talking about Bush, go read up on a bill that was passed in Arizona I believe. They are cutting all benifits from immigrants and it was said this bill was a pre-courser to what other states would do.
Sorry, I assumed since you started the post talking about Jr. you meant bush.

In any case, if you're worried about that, Bush is your man...he's the only president who has actively supported the migrants' right to remain in the US working and entitled to the protection of the law here.
Old Nov 4, 2004 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Its funny how a lot of Christians forget that they where the oppressed people when there religion started. How quickly they forget that, they stood up for what they believed in. And now that others are doing the same they push them down.
Oh common. Don't make this a religious thing. It's actually quite offensive to equate the homosexual quest for marriage with the struggle of Christians.
Old Nov 4, 2004 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
I wasn't talking about Bush, go read up on a bill that was passed in Arizona I believe. They are cutting all benifits from immigrants and it was said this bill was a pre-courser to what other states would do.
I'm quite interested in additional info on this if you have it.
Old Nov 4, 2004 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
I'm quite interested in additional info on this if you have it.
I'll find it, should be easy to fin on google.

Not the best links but here you go
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-mexico05.html

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10257.shtml

Im sure this will be in the news more soon.

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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
Oh common. Don't make this a religious thing. It's actually quite offensive to equate the homosexual quest for marriage with the struggle of Christians.

Christians where a repressed people correct? Homosexuals are the same, they are being repressed by others. And in that quote all I ment is that we, I am a Catholic after all, struggled for our faith and to be equals in the past. Why are we now supressing others from doing the same thing.
Old Nov 4, 2004 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by subaruguru
Sorry, I assumed since you started the post talking about Jr. you meant bush.

In any case, if you're worried about that, Bush is your man...he's the only president who has actively supported the migrants' right to remain in the US working and entitled to the protection of the law here.

Yeah sorry I didn't make that very clear. I was starving litterally shaking with hunger.... sigh I hate not eating on time. Im more worried about other individual states pushing this through than Bush.
Old Nov 5, 2004 | 08:41 AM
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homosexuality is immoral and most of the people in this country believe this. This country was founded on God.
Old Nov 5, 2004 | 08:44 AM
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homosexuality is immoral and most of the people in this country believe this. This country was founded on God.
Wrong. This country was founded on the principle that each person has the choice to do what they will as long as it doesn't interfere with what others want to do.

Please learn your history before you post.
Old Nov 5, 2004 | 08:45 AM
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The government should not mix with church. Period. This should be a non-issue but the religious right have made it one. Which to me is plain stupid and stand for everything that the Bible does not stand for.
the Bible surely doesn't stand for gay marriages!!
Old Nov 5, 2004 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jcorrao
the Bible surely doesn't stand for gay marriages!!

The Bible surely doesn't stand to hate your fellow man!!
Old Nov 5, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jcorrao
the Bible surely doesn't stand for gay marriages!!
That's great for people that live their lives by the bible, I'd rather follow the constitution. You know that thing that is kinda important to this country. Without it we would be like the puritains and have more witch hunts (smeer the queer to put it in todays terms).

Seperation of church and state. The bible should not make decisions about how we run our country.
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