Who HASN'T bought it yet?? (Liberalism is a Mental Disorder)
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Uh...this thread is about a book by a CONSERVATIVE which is titled Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.
Seems like you are all together on this one.
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
Why authority? I personally believe the government is obligated do maintain the seperation, especially in these times. You may need morals to have a religion, but you certainly don't need religion to have a strong moral structure. By now, if you can't distinguish between what is right and wrong, you aren't lacking religious belief, you are simply ignorant beyond belief or a genuinely bad person. It has nothing to do with the belief in a higher being, or any of the other 'formalities' of most organized religions. Like someone else has said, from my own experience, the integrity of someone's morals has virtually no connection whether or not the person practices religion or is a 'believer.'
As I see it, the government should not endorse one religion, or hold one above another by any kind of alliance, promotion, or any disticnct and public affiliation, or ceremony. To do so would undermine, inappropriately influence, and thus infringe upon each citizen's right to practice religion as they please (which includes practicing NO specific religion, if one chooses).
Please tell me where I'm going wrong. This is something I feel quite strongly about.
As I see it, the government should not endorse one religion, or hold one above another by any kind of alliance, promotion, or any disticnct and public affiliation, or ceremony. To do so would undermine, inappropriately influence, and thus infringe upon each citizen's right to practice religion as they please (which includes practicing NO specific religion, if one chooses).
Please tell me where I'm going wrong. This is something I feel quite strongly about.
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You don't care if it's a rumor or who says it?? What kind of a decision making process is that? You're probably lucky your parents weren't as emotionally guided as you, because you would've been either aborted or ejaculated into a toilet.
Ofcourse logic and mistakes of the past should be dealt with hand-in-hand. I quote, "If we do not learn from our past, we will be doomed to repeat it."
My theistic dictatorship? You think that just because I believe in God that all of the sudden I'm theistic? And as far as a dictatorship, if anybody here is pushing for that it would be you. I can tell by your abstract comments and redundant replies that you are very much a left wing liberal, so that alone tells all. Liberalism is only one step away from a socialistic and communistic way of government, which if you look at the Soviets, is very much a dictatorship. We conservatives are all the way on the other side of the scale!
Our entire Constitution was derived by Thomas Jefferson from the Israelites and the Anglo-Saxons. Everything that was ever written in there was, in one way or another, tied to Christianity and the ten commandments. The government was given no control to force religion and statehood together, because if that were the case, they would have the control to separate them. But our whole society was based on God, and we have every right to act upon that. The separation of state from church(NOT church from state) was clearly written by Thomas Jefferson where the comment origionated from in his letter to a Danbury Baptist pastor saying that 'Christianity should always be in government, but government should never be in Christianity." That was the high wall of seperation that has been misquoted for the last sixty years. In 1890 the Supreme Court made a finding that identified that our United States is in fact a Christian nation based on Christian principles that are founded on their lawgiver Jesus Christ.
Ofcourse logic and mistakes of the past should be dealt with hand-in-hand. I quote, "If we do not learn from our past, we will be doomed to repeat it."
My theistic dictatorship? You think that just because I believe in God that all of the sudden I'm theistic? And as far as a dictatorship, if anybody here is pushing for that it would be you. I can tell by your abstract comments and redundant replies that you are very much a left wing liberal, so that alone tells all. Liberalism is only one step away from a socialistic and communistic way of government, which if you look at the Soviets, is very much a dictatorship. We conservatives are all the way on the other side of the scale!
Our entire Constitution was derived by Thomas Jefferson from the Israelites and the Anglo-Saxons. Everything that was ever written in there was, in one way or another, tied to Christianity and the ten commandments. The government was given no control to force religion and statehood together, because if that were the case, they would have the control to separate them. But our whole society was based on God, and we have every right to act upon that. The separation of state from church(NOT church from state) was clearly written by Thomas Jefferson where the comment origionated from in his letter to a Danbury Baptist pastor saying that 'Christianity should always be in government, but government should never be in Christianity." That was the high wall of seperation that has been misquoted for the last sixty years. In 1890 the Supreme Court made a finding that identified that our United States is in fact a Christian nation based on Christian principles that are founded on their lawgiver Jesus Christ.
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
thanks again for calling be mentally deficient once again.
i had to read that one out loud to figure it out. i thought to myself, "who is 'be'"? kaiser sozeh? after adding a 4 drink slur, it started to make more sense.
yes, you are a dumb-a$$
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Originally Posted by dub2w
i had to read that one out loud to figure it out. i thought to myself, "who is 'be'"? kaiser sozeh? after adding a 4 drink slur, it started to make more sense.
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Again, back to the book....
My offer still stands; I will send my copy to any Left Leaning types that would like to borrow my book. Just return it when done.
It's easy to close your mind to some one when they contradict all that you hold holy.
As religion seems to be focal point:
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Can you imagine the protests that would follow if Mrs Oaf, who's a teacher, did exactly the same thing, but used Christianity instead?
Look at the biaching you Socialists do when there's a stone monument of the 10 Commandments placed in a courthouse.
Don't you get it; every single major terrorist atttack against the US has been commited by radical Muslims.
So, again, any of you care to point out a falsehood in Dr. Savage's book?
I didn't think so.
My offer still stands; I will send my copy to any Left Leaning types that would like to borrow my book. Just return it when done.
It's easy to close your mind to some one when they contradict all that you hold holy.
As religion seems to be focal point:
Originally Posted by Michael Savage
...the Byron Excelsior Public School, in Byron, California, required seventh-grade students to participate in a 3 week intensive Islamic indoctrination course...12 year old students were 'forced to pretend they were Muslims for 3 weeks, praying in the name of Allah the Compassionate, the Merciful, chanting Praise to Allah, picking a Muslim name from a list to replace their own name and to stage their own jihad via a dice game.'
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Can you imagine the protests that would follow if Mrs Oaf, who's a teacher, did exactly the same thing, but used Christianity instead?
Look at the biaching you Socialists do when there's a stone monument of the 10 Commandments placed in a courthouse.
Don't you get it; every single major terrorist atttack against the US has been commited by radical Muslims.
So, again, any of you care to point out a falsehood in Dr. Savage's book?
I didn't think so.
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Originally Posted by slvrsubywgn
Have you read the first amendment, Scoosport98? It clearly states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." Meaning that they(the government) shall not discriminate against any religion, whatever it may be. So you are right...there should be a separation between state from church, as the first amendment stated; but NOT church from state, as Thomas Jefferson clarifies. Do you get it? Also, did you read my post at the bottom of page 2? That may help you alittle more. Here it is...
) war, it may be a good idea to back off the whole endorsement of religion thing. Any reference made, any vague, slight connection to christianity, is looked at by most of the rest of the world (who have adjusted to current times and moved toward strictly secular governments) as an affront to other religions. Times change- do you get it?
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Again, back to the book....
My offer still stands; I will send my copy to any Left Leaning types that would like to borrow my book. Just return it when done.
It's easy to close your mind to some one when they contradict all that you hold holy.
As religion seems to be focal point:
Supporting Link
Supporting Link
Can you imagine the protests that would follow if Mrs Oaf, who's a teacher, did exactly the same thing, but used Christianity instead?
Look at the biaching you Socialists do when there's a stone monument of the 10 Commandments placed in a courthouse.
Don't you get it; every single major terrorist atttack against the US has been commited by radical Muslims.
So, again, any of you care to point out a falsehood in Dr. Savage's book?
I didn't think so.
My offer still stands; I will send my copy to any Left Leaning types that would like to borrow my book. Just return it when done.
It's easy to close your mind to some one when they contradict all that you hold holy.
As religion seems to be focal point:
Supporting Link
Supporting Link
Can you imagine the protests that would follow if Mrs Oaf, who's a teacher, did exactly the same thing, but used Christianity instead?
Look at the biaching you Socialists do when there's a stone monument of the 10 Commandments placed in a courthouse.
Don't you get it; every single major terrorist atttack against the US has been commited by radical Muslims.
So, again, any of you care to point out a falsehood in Dr. Savage's book?
I didn't think so.
Their should of been protest if either happened. Schools should not be teaching religion unless in a historical sense, unless its a private school. I think more liberals would agree to this than conservatives. I bet even, that conservatives would be happy if Chritianity was taught in school. Remember the majority are called the religious right for a reason.
Micheal Savage is a dumbass, I don't even have to read his book to figure that out. Had he wanted to create a real discussion about issues he wouldn't of titled his book the way he did. Need I say more?
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Originally Posted by Unregistered
Their should of been protest if either happened. Schools should not be teaching religion unless in a historical sense, unless its a private school. I think more liberals would agree to this than conservatives. I bet even, that conservatives would be happy if Chritianity was taught in school. Remember the majority are called the religious right for a reason.
Micheal Savage is a dumbass, I don't even have to read his book to figure that out. Had he wanted to create a real discussion about issues he wouldn't of titled his book the way he did. Need I say more?
Micheal Savage is a dumbass, I don't even have to read his book to figure that out. Had he wanted to create a real discussion about issues he wouldn't of titled his book the way he did. Need I say more?
True Conservatives don't want religion taught in public school.
I realize you were probably weaned on the soothing sounds of Clintonese double speak, but 15+ books, of which at least 2 were on NY Times Best Seller's list, a Phd from Cal Berkeley, don't sound like the acclomplishments of a dumbass.
That stinging you feel ain't nuthin' but pride ****ing with your head.
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from the first 'supporting' link:
"Here again: some did memorize parts of the Qur'an, including the Fatiha (Sura 1), which is a widely-used prayer in Islam, but they didn't actually pray. That may be a distinction without a difference, but the thing was bad enough without exaggerating its faults."
hahah- then why did Savge have to spin and exaggerate?
At first, reading savage's quote, I thought that was pretty outrageuos. But looking at un-spun version, it looks more like a hubb-bubb brought upon by christian parents who opposed any sort of exposure to a religion they didn't care for. I recall biblical references used in my senior english class, so what is wrong with learning about other religions, unless you are trying to sheild someone from one particular view? I guess if they wanted a strict christian education for their children, they shouldn't have sent them to a public school.
On the other hand, this does seem a little 'out there.' I mean, if there wasn't any question regarding our nation's attitude toward muslims in general, this wouldn't have ever happened. This whole 'educational program' was too obviously a weak attempt to remedy a widening rift between muslims and non-muslims So I guess if I were christian, I'd be quite uspet if my child was used in this way and exposed to such things, then again, if I were deeply concerned about what they were exposed to, they definitely wouldn't be going to public school. Especially as a christian in california. All I have to say to them is wake up people-seriously.
Anyone else care to weigh both sides of the argument? I know it's easy to be sucked in and blindly agree with that weasly bastard. Not a dumbass, but yes, a true weasly bastard- bona fide.
"Here again: some did memorize parts of the Qur'an, including the Fatiha (Sura 1), which is a widely-used prayer in Islam, but they didn't actually pray. That may be a distinction without a difference, but the thing was bad enough without exaggerating its faults."
hahah- then why did Savge have to spin and exaggerate?
At first, reading savage's quote, I thought that was pretty outrageuos. But looking at un-spun version, it looks more like a hubb-bubb brought upon by christian parents who opposed any sort of exposure to a religion they didn't care for. I recall biblical references used in my senior english class, so what is wrong with learning about other religions, unless you are trying to sheild someone from one particular view? I guess if they wanted a strict christian education for their children, they shouldn't have sent them to a public school.
On the other hand, this does seem a little 'out there.' I mean, if there wasn't any question regarding our nation's attitude toward muslims in general, this wouldn't have ever happened. This whole 'educational program' was too obviously a weak attempt to remedy a widening rift between muslims and non-muslims So I guess if I were christian, I'd be quite uspet if my child was used in this way and exposed to such things, then again, if I were deeply concerned about what they were exposed to, they definitely wouldn't be going to public school. Especially as a christian in california. All I have to say to them is wake up people-seriously.
Anyone else care to weigh both sides of the argument? I know it's easy to be sucked in and blindly agree with that weasly bastard. Not a dumbass, but yes, a true weasly bastard- bona fide.
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Originally Posted by scoobsport98
I recall biblical references used in my senior english class, so what is wrong with learning about other religions, unless you are trying to sheild someone from one particular view? I guess if they wanted a strict christian education for their children, they shouldn't have sent them to a public school.
Did you notice that the supplier/publisher of the learning material happens to be Iranian?
Hmmmmm.
I'm no Christian and I wouldn't want my three Oafettes subjected to that any more than what I "suffered" through 6+ years of Catholic school.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Please admit that there's a big difference between biblical references and taking a Muslim name, having to repeat Islamic prayers, and playing a jihad game.
Did you notice that the supplier/publisher of the learning material happens to be Iranian?
Hmmmmm.
I'm no Christian and I wouldn't want my three Oafettes subjected to that any more than what I "suffered" through 6+ years of Catholic school.
Did you notice that the supplier/publisher of the learning material happens to be Iranian?
Hmmmmm.
I'm no Christian and I wouldn't want my three Oafettes subjected to that any more than what I "suffered" through 6+ years of Catholic school.
I think this suit was legitamate, as I agree that religion should not be at all included in the teachings at public school. But if we're gonna hold up this 'one nation, under god' routine, I think it's fair enough to have it both ways. So, I guess my view is that it's fine to be against this, but you can't pick and choose.
BTW, I feel for your "suffering"
I hope they didn't leave any scars. edit: also, "hmmmm" what? Just because the publisher is Iranian doesn't mean it is affiliated with the shady workings of their government. What exactly are you trying to imply here? Are you trying to tie thise educational program to the axis of evil, or what? Ignorant attitudes like this are why American civilians are killed in Iraq, so I see no need to perpetuate the pitting of entire countries and everything inside them against one another.\- unless we wantto encourage this type of thing.
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Originally Posted by Oaf
Point is, there wasn't.
True Conservatives don't want religion taught in public school.
True Conservatives don't want religion taught in public school.
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I realize you were probably weaned on the soothing sounds of Clintonese double speak, but 15+ books, of which at least 2 were on NY Times Best Seller's list, a Phd from Cal Berkeley, don't sound like the acclomplishments of a dumbass.
He could have 100+ books published and 50 of those be on the NY Times Best Seller's list and 20 PhD's from every major University in the world. But he would still be a dumbass. His argument are weak and hence he presents it in the form he does. He writes books that appeal to people that love "shock" value stuff. Thats why its titled the way it is. A real intelligent individual wouldn't have to do such a thing to get noticed. Should I continue why its not worth bothering with individuals like him and O'Reily?
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That stinging you feel ain't nuthin' but pride ****ing with your head.
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