When should we bomb Iran?
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We...the USA...could cut the ME out of the oil equation simply by using the resources that we have here on our continent.
And by building nuke plants.
And wind farms.
And any other form of energy that negates the need to import oil from those ****ers in the ME.
Anyone that does not support drilling in ANWAR, off the coast, is against building nuke plants, etc is an America hating Socialist.
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I think we should leave the middle east alone until we get our own **** together.
We're spreading out over there and its gonna end up biting us in the butt. Stuck in Iraq now. We're moving back into Afganistan again. Iran is an issue. The mexican boarder is still wide open. Iran is shooting missles all every which way. North Korea is still an issue. Russia is slowing getting it's pissed off commie *** back together under the radar. Etc.
There is way to much going on and we're leaving the home land to die in a fire.
We're spreading out over there and its gonna end up biting us in the butt. Stuck in Iraq now. We're moving back into Afganistan again. Iran is an issue. The mexican boarder is still wide open. Iran is shooting missles all every which way. North Korea is still an issue. Russia is slowing getting it's pissed off commie *** back together under the radar. Etc.
There is way to much going on and we're leaving the home land to die in a fire.
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JamesG, Obviously you've found yourself occupied by some of todays problems. The report I posted stated the mean recovery was 3.2 billion barrels. That is "recoverable oil". ANWAR is not the answer either. Yet it does put some of the leverage in our favor. The oil crunch of the seventies we imported 7% of our oil, in 1994 we imported 40%, today we import 70%. Don't get me wrong alternative sources of energy are necessary but self reliance is more so crucial. We have given OPEC too much control. They are using oil as leverage. Saying that it would not produce benefits for 10+yrs is BS. How long do you think it would take to convert an entire country to renewable infrastructure. Your guess is as good as mine. Who's investing money, how much and where has nothing to do with anything. People invest money to make money. Not because they think it's the wave of the future. Anyone who's smart and has a chunk of change to invest would convert a large portion of their portfolio into green technologies. Why? In the next 5 yrs or so there will be leaps ahead in green tech. That translates into money. It's always about money. They don't give a crap about eco-impact. Only if it's going to make them money.
Al Gore says we can and should abandon fossil fuels by 2018. National Security was at the top of the list of reasons to change to wind, solar and other renewable energy sources. Imagine hundreds of millions of "climate change refugees" causing political instability in the world. The US is vulnerable to these other countries problems because of our dependency on foreign oil. Taxes on Carbon Dioxide producing companies and consumers would have to be implimented but at the same time payroll taxes would drop. Until then were just borrowing money from China to send to the Arabs to buy oil to be consumed often times frivolously.
I agree with the big money investors only caring about the bottom line. They are the ones who run our country!!! But even a few of them know that Economic disaster looms over us and Drilling in Anwar is not going to make any difference in the problem...It is merely a short-sighted solution to a bigger problem.
I agree with Paul @ DBtuned in so far as the "America hater" part. I love the US and my family is over 13 generations American. But if u love something or someone u dont F!@# them in the A$$ to get what u want out of them. That seems to be our govt.s policy and were all gna get a stiff one in the 6 o'clock if we keep it up.
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I like gas em' kay. My 1953 caddy is not solar powered you know.
I think it's the bigger non vehicle things that need to stray away from fossil fuels.
side note... gas station down the street from me has gone down almost 10 cents in the last 10 days. First time I've seen that in a while. 4cents last night.
I think it's the bigger non vehicle things that need to stray away from fossil fuels.
side note... gas station down the street from me has gone down almost 10 cents in the last 10 days. First time I've seen that in a while. 4cents last night.
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For being a self proclaimed expert on the subject of energy you can't analyze your own statistics very well. By your numbers ANWAR would provide 5% of our daily oil supply.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
Do the math yourself. That's nearly as much oil as Iraq supplies us on a daily basis. Furthermore, Canada is our largest oil importer, what makes you think we wouldn't be successful drilling in their backyard?
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html
Do the math yourself. That's nearly as much oil as Iraq supplies us on a daily basis. Furthermore, Canada is our largest oil importer, what makes you think we wouldn't be successful drilling in their backyard?
I think we could be successful in finding oil but several problems would still exist. Increases in oil consumption will mean that we will still need to import oil. Perhaps a positive outcome of finding that 5% in Anwar would be that we could GTFO of Iraq. Still theres the issue of climate change...thats really the whole point of my argument. That were still gna be f@#$ing up the environment even if we find more oil and that is a major problem. It will lead to more conflict as the perihperal problems of climate change make themselves apparent. We may end up at war with another country(ies) and the war will be over water or food or air who knows....
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Hey our '23 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost has an 8 liter straight six So i feel your pain and I love to see ww2 piston powered aircraft fly despite the fuel costs. There needs to be a fuel reserve made just for the antique guys so we never run out!!!
I like gas em' kay. My 1953 caddy is not solar powered you know.
I think it's the bigger non vehicle things that need to stray away from fossil fuels.
side note... gas station down the street from me has gone down almost 10 cents in the last 10 days. First time I've seen that in a while. 4cents last night.
I think it's the bigger non vehicle things that need to stray away from fossil fuels.
side note... gas station down the street from me has gone down almost 10 cents in the last 10 days. First time I've seen that in a while. 4cents last night.
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I found that article in NYT printed today after a speech he gave at an energy conference. My father has met with Gore on many occasions to discuss our nations energy crisis and I respect him. Visionaries are good for making us aware of the issues.
This post is complete BS. Do you read anything? Have you ever done a single bit of your own research the US Department of interior estimates there is 3.23 BILLION, [that's 3,230,000,000]barrels of recoverable oil in Anwar. Mr Pickens is not drilling in Anwar because he is not allowed. Wind energy is not a solution. F*** it I'm not even going to waste anymore time on your post.
You are just plain mad if you think that raping our national wildlife refuges to save < 10 cents a gallon, all at enormous cost to taxpayers (via oil subsidies, etc) for pollution-generating, inefficient energy is BETTER than investing that same money/effort in renewable energy. All that time, all that money - just to be in the exact same spot in 50 years (probably well worse) rather then be independent of ALL oil, foreign or domestic? Really?
And Paul, who claims that anyone opposed to offshore drilling hates America, apparently does not listen to logical arguments and would prefer ad hominem attack via the standard right wing method. 1) US oil companies ALREADY control 80% of the available offshore oil-capable regions, yet have explored very little of this. 2) Additional offshore drilling would again only yield more oil in 10 years, and an estimated few hundred thousand additional barrels a day, all while the US uses 20 million barrels daily.
So yes, let's have more drilling, more of the 595 oil spills following hurricanes Katrina and Rita instead of investing in ending our dependence on oil. I think we can see who here are patriotic and who are dangerously linked to the corporate-infatuated right wing mantra.
While your 3.2 billion barrels figure is correct, you seem to assume that this will magically appear all at once, if only we could stick a few drills in the ground. First of all, this quantity is only 6 months worth of oil supply to the US (at current rates). But the most important facts here are that it will take 10 years for any of this ANWR oil to reach the market and 50 years to extract all the oil from ANWR. 3.2 billion barrels/50 years = jack impact to supply or oil prices. This is from the USGS, not some liberal think tank.
You are just plain mad if you think that raping our national wildlife refuges to save < 10 cents a gallon, all at enormous cost to taxpayers (via oil subsidies, etc) for pollution-generating, inefficient energy is BETTER than investing that same money/effort in renewable energy. All that time, all that money - just to be in the exact same spot in 50 years (probably well worse) rather then be independent of ALL oil, foreign or domestic? Really?
And Paul, who claims that anyone opposed to offshore drilling hates America, apparently does not listen to logical arguments and would prefer ad hominem attack via the standard right wing method. 1) US oil companies ALREADY control 80% of the available offshore oil-capable regions, yet have explored very little of this. 2) Additional offshore drilling would again only yield more oil in 10 years, and an estimated few hundred thousand additional barrels a day, all while the US uses 20 million barrels daily.
So yes, let's have more drilling, more of the 595 oil spills following hurricanes Katrina and Rita instead of investing in ending our dependence on oil. I think we can see who here are patriotic and who are dangerously linked to the corporate-infatuated right wing mantra.
You are just plain mad if you think that raping our national wildlife refuges to save < 10 cents a gallon, all at enormous cost to taxpayers (via oil subsidies, etc) for pollution-generating, inefficient energy is BETTER than investing that same money/effort in renewable energy. All that time, all that money - just to be in the exact same spot in 50 years (probably well worse) rather then be independent of ALL oil, foreign or domestic? Really?
And Paul, who claims that anyone opposed to offshore drilling hates America, apparently does not listen to logical arguments and would prefer ad hominem attack via the standard right wing method. 1) US oil companies ALREADY control 80% of the available offshore oil-capable regions, yet have explored very little of this. 2) Additional offshore drilling would again only yield more oil in 10 years, and an estimated few hundred thousand additional barrels a day, all while the US uses 20 million barrels daily.
So yes, let's have more drilling, more of the 595 oil spills following hurricanes Katrina and Rita instead of investing in ending our dependence on oil. I think we can see who here are patriotic and who are dangerously linked to the corporate-infatuated right wing mantra.
In a world of rational people Ron Paul would be America's best choice, but in reality all we have is a couple of clowns to choose from with no understanding on economics. Obama only knows what is written in the teleprompter while McCain is old and crazy.
I love when ron paul owns the federal reserve and ben bernanke!
who knows we could be like a mexico.. a lot of rich, no middle class, and a ton of poor people.
the american dollar is going down the pooper, more inflation.
I love when ron paul owns the federal reserve and ben bernanke!
who knows we could be like a mexico.. a lot of rich, no middle class, and a ton of poor people.
the american dollar is going down the pooper, more inflation.
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I know that Wyoming is somewhat removed from the rest of the world and that the media is out to confuse all of us so i give u the benefit of the doubt. The greenies are right actually. Drilling in Alaska wont solve anything.... thats why oil billionaire T Boone Pickens is investing billions in wind energy and not drilling in Alaska or offshore. I know this because my father is head of the American Wind Energy Association and is the #1 guy in the wind business. Our only way out future conflicts is to pop the Saudi oil gushing tittie out of our mouth and find another source of fuel/energy Theres only a few 100 million barrels to be had in Alaska which would be consumed in only a couple of years. That far outweighs the damage to the ecology in that region from drillling.
As for another war front...If we go into Iran its just another excuse for Islamic countries to Ally themselves against the US and all hell will break loose. Iran makes threatening gestures to Israel because they know that the US and NATO is practically run by either Christian bible thumpers and Jewish people of great importance, wealth and stature. Iranians see that as a way to provoke a fight and unite the Arabs against the West. If Bush is dumb enough (which he is) to take the bait then were all f*@$ed
As for another war front...If we go into Iran its just another excuse for Islamic countries to Ally themselves against the US and all hell will break loose. Iran makes threatening gestures to Israel because they know that the US and NATO is practically run by either Christian bible thumpers and Jewish people of great importance, wealth and stature. Iranians see that as a way to provoke a fight and unite the Arabs against the West. If Bush is dumb enough (which he is) to take the bait then were all f*@$ed
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In a world of rational people Ron Paul would be America's best choice, but in reality all we have is a couple of clowns to choose from with no understanding on economics. Obama only knows what is written in the teleprompter while McCain is old and crazy.
I love when ron paul owns the federal reserve and ben bernanke!
who knows we could be like a mexico.. a lot of rich, no middle class, and a ton of poor people.
the american dollar is going down the pooper, more inflation.
I love when ron paul owns the federal reserve and ben bernanke!
who knows we could be like a mexico.. a lot of rich, no middle class, and a ton of poor people.
the american dollar is going down the pooper, more inflation.
What does the Mexico comment have to do with anything?