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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 01:59 PM
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is it true that we have stopped oil drilling in Alaska due to the ****in greenies that say its bad for the animals? if so then that could be the ******* solution to all this...drill oil in alaska, oh and wait we could drill in siberia...they have oil too...and as part of the UN the United States has a duty to try and PREVENT ish like this happening...talk to the Iranians and see wat the plan to do, if the wanna take action then we bomb the **** out of them until they submit and then imprison them and claim the country as United States territory, then its our oil that we are drilling not theirs :P
I know that Wyoming is somewhat removed from the rest of the world and that the media is out to confuse all of us so i give u the benefit of the doubt. The greenies are right actually. Drilling in Alaska wont solve anything.... thats why oil billionaire T Boone Pickens is investing billions in wind energy and not drilling in Alaska or offshore. I know this because my father is head of the American Wind Energy Association and is the #1 guy in the wind business. Our only way out future conflicts is to pop the Saudi oil gushing tittie out of our mouth and find another source of fuel/energy Theres only a few 100 million barrels to be had in Alaska which would be consumed in only a couple of years. That far outweighs the damage to the ecology in that region from drillling.

As for another war front...If we go into Iran its just another excuse for Islamic countries to Ally themselves against the US and all hell will break loose. Iran makes threatening gestures to Israel because they know that the US and NATO is practically run by either Christian bible thumpers and Jewish people of great importance, wealth and stature. Iranians see that as a way to provoke a fight and unite the Arabs against the West. If Bush is dumb enough (which he is) to take the bait then were all f*@$ed
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesGRrallye
I know that Wyoming is somewhat removed from the rest of the world and that the media is out to confuse all of us so i give u the benefit of the doubt. The greenies are right actually. Drilling in Alaska wont solve anything.... thats why oil billionaire T Boone Pickens is investing billions in wind energy and not drilling in Alaska or offshore. I know this because my father is head of the American Wind Energy Association and is the #1 guy in the wind business. Our only way out future conflicts is to pop the Saudi oil gushing tittie out of our mouth and find another source of fuel/energy Theres only a few 100 million barrels to be had in Alaska which would be consumed in only a couple of years. That far outweighs the damage to the ecology in that region from drillling.

As for another war front...If we go into Iran its just another excuse for Islamic countries to Ally themselves against the US and all hell will break loose. Iran makes threatening gestures to Israel because they know that the US and NATO is practically run by either Christian bible thumpers and Jewish people of great importance, wealth and stature. Iranians see that as a way to provoke a fight and unite the Arabs against the West. If Bush is dumb enough (which he is) to take the bait then were all f*@$ed
This post is complete BS. Do you read anything? Have you ever done a single bit of your own research the US Department of interior estimates there is 3.23 BILLION, [that's 3,230,000,000]barrels of recoverable oil in Anwar. Mr Pickens is not drilling in Anwar because he is not allowed. Wind energy is not a solution. F*** it I'm not even going to waste anymore time on your post.

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lets blow em back to the stone-age....

then they will all dance around "turka turka turka" saying "yaaaaaay we upgraded!"
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lets blow em back to the stone-age....

then they will all dance around "turka turka turka" saying "yaaaaaay we upgraded!"
qfpab.
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blah Israel is not a real country.

Free Palestine.
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 05:56 PM
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blah Israel is not a real country.

Free Palestine.
This is by far the most ignorant drivel I have ever read on teh intarwebs.
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**** them in the *** now. not a threat are you ****ing MAD?!?!?!?!

They can completely choke off our supply of oil and be in charge of around 70% of the worlds oil

Plus they enriching uranium right now.

Why sit around and wait to get ****ed. I say if they attack isreal we tea-bag em. I say if they make a threat to us one more time...we tea-bag them.

I absolutly 110% believe that 50% or more of the polulation will give there lives for Iran. They are extremist why wouldnt they.


I say the UN NTO whatyever say "either you quit producing urnaium right this second or no more imports at ALL!!!!!!

NO FOOD, NO TEXTILES, NOTHING!!!!!


Give them a 100% ultimatum. and then if they **** up after that. Bend them over and give it to them.Really hard with no lube.
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Originally Posted by jvick125
qfpab.
meaning..
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 06:54 PM
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My info comes from the source but ill just take quotes from the National Petroleum Council's study of Global oil forcasts.
19% Recoverability is not going to equate to 3 billion barrels of processable oil....If drilling did commence and we could pull at best 1 million barrels a day we would still be dependent on foreign oil since we're consuming 20 million a day (which will increase 50-60% by 2030). And prices would only drop $.75 per barrel out of $140 if oil was found there. Many top political figures in Washington and throughout the US including General Westley Clark is also seeking to invest in wind energy and work closely with my father on this issue so no forum is going to offer you better info on this issue than I have trust me....
And when Pickens was asked about what he would choose to invest in even if drilling was allowed in Alaska, he pointed to wind as the wave of the future and perhaps other means of oil retrieval from either from coal and surface tarsand in Alberta and the northern states. Those operations are more economical than trying to work in sub Arctic weather conditions. Sorry if you think this or my last post is BS but if you think entering and colonizing other countries for control of their oil is anything short of lunacy, perhaps you should go and ban urself from any and all forums.

Sidenote: My relatives at the beginning of the 20th century were the partial founders of a small company called Standard Oil which later became Exxon Mobil.. Perhaps youve heard of it? Rock oil as it was called actually helped save the whales since whale oil and coal were the main source of energy back then. Now my family is at the forefront of Renewable energy mainly wind. Again saving the whales and some whale-sized Americans. But it seems you need to be saved in more ways than one.

Originally Posted by ipozestu
This post is complete BS. Do you read anything? Have you ever done a single bit of your own research the US Department of interior estimates there is 3.23 BILLION, [that's 3,230,000,000]barrels of recoverable oil in Anwar. Mr Pickens is not drilling in Anwar because he is not allowed. Wind energy is not a solution. F*** it I'm not even going to waste anymore time on your post.

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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
We definitely should not sit idolly by while this unfolds. I definitely advocate using diplomacy first. We should consider sanctions but that has its cons. You're creating animosity with an entire populace and if the sanctions don't work and you do have to intervene there's more animosity (ref: Iraq). I think we need to show Iran that we will not hesitate to annihilate serious infrastructure within their country if they choose not to comply with international pressure.

At the same time, Israel as far as I'm concerned has burnt up its "carte blanche" long ago. Their policies with Palestine are down right egregious and completely hypocritical. If I were living in Gaza there would be hell to pay.

We need to give them a serious ultimatum that is within reason and stand by it if they violate it. They can continue persuing nuclear power as long as it is under strict supervision of the IAEA and UN but only after they remove missile sites within X range of their northern border and begin dismantling all offensive weaponry. Advocate a defense-only posture.

Lastly we need to ensure the Iran understands they have a vested interest in Iraq. The easiest way to tie that would be to rile up the Kurd population which makes up a huge demographic of each country. Also show them how Iraq can truly screw them by dumping cheap fuel out of ABOT and put a strangle hold on OPEC if they choose to making Iran's fuel supply essentially worthless to investors.

I could go on but I'll stop.
Great post, definately a plan that sounds reasonable to me. Forceful, but not likely to put us in another major conflict. I'm glad more Americans are beginning to see through the cloud of BS surrounding anything Israeli.

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**** them in the *** now. not a threat are you ****ing MAD?!?!?!?!

They can completely choke off our supply of oil and be in charge of around 70% of the worlds oil

Plus they enriching uranium right now.

Why sit around and wait to get ****ed. I say if they attack isreal we tea-bag em. I say if they make a threat to us one more time...we tea-bag them.

I absolutly 110% believe that 50% or more of the polulation will give there lives for Iran. They are extremist why wouldnt they.


I say the UN NTO whatyever say "either you quit producing urnaium right this second or no more imports at ALL!!!!!!

NO FOOD, NO TEXTILES, NOTHING!!!!!


Give them a 100% ultimatum. and then if they **** up after that. Bend them over and give it to them.Really hard with no lube.
*sigh*

A few great posts and then this garbage. International politics are a hell of a lot more complex than a few (false) sensationalist statements. Obviously attacking Iran would screw up the oil supply, but they do not control 70% of the world oil supply. How the hell you came up with that figure I do not know.

And stop using stupid *** sexual references. You sound like a retard who has kicked back one too many Irish car bombs. They don't help anything, make you look vulgar, and demonstrate you have a 0% understanding of the topic.
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This is by far the most ignorant drivel I have ever read on teh intarwebs.
thank you
Old Jul 17, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesGRrallye
I know that Wyoming is somewhat removed from the rest of the world and that the media is out to confuse all of us so i give u the benefit of the doubt. The greenies are right actually. Drilling in Alaska wont solve anything.... thats why oil billionaire T Boone Pickens is investing billions in wind energy and not drilling in Alaska or offshore. I know this because my father is head of the American Wind Energy Association and is the #1 guy in the wind business. Our only way out future conflicts is to pop the Saudi oil gushing tittie out of our mouth and find another source of fuel/energy Theres only a few 100 million barrels to be had in Alaska which would be consumed in only a couple of years. That far outweighs the damage to the ecology in that region from drillling.
I have got to agree with ipozestu here. ANWAR has a hell of a lot of oil and it would be the gem of any tycoon if he were allowed to drill there make no mistake about it. Wind Energy is nothing more than a supplement (albeit an excellent on when you consider cost and emissions) to the energy crisis. We have got to start using our own resources responsibly. Not facilitating domestic energy exploration and exploitation is completely irresponsible and does the American tax payer a huge disservice. Also, have you ever been to Alaska? The pipelines, short of being an astetic eye sore do absolutely nothing to the ecology there. Caribou pack themselves in droves to the line because its warm. Look at the Gulf Coast, Louisiana has oil rigs all over their cost and still has some of if not the best fishing and hunting in the entire nation and many of those rigs pre-date the 1970s. Pretty much antiques compared to the technology that would be used at ANWAR.

Originally Posted by JamesGRrallye
As for another war front...If we go into Iran its just another excuse for Islamic countries to Ally themselves against the US and all hell will break loose. Iran makes threatening gestures to Israel because they know that the US and NATO is practically run by either Christian bible thumpers and Jewish people of great importance, wealth and stature. Iranians see that as a way to provoke a fight and unite the Arabs against the West. If Bush is dumb enough (which he is) to take the bait then were all f*@$ed
I won't even get started with this post but the Arab world will NEVER be united by Iran. It's a Shiite dictatorship which is completely contrary to the feeling and beliefs of the larger Arab (Sunni) world. Reference Operation Ajax and the overthrowing of the Shah. It was a completely domestic revolution even with its publicity and a extreme accomplishment for previously subjugated Iranians. Saudis didn't overthrow the Saud family, the Ba'ath party keep constant control of Syria and Iraq. In short, the larger part of the Arab world dislikes Iran almost completely. Shiite ideology is in direct violation of several serious pillars of faith as far as every day run of the mill Arabs are concerned.
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Originally Posted by JamesGRrallye
My info comes from the source but ill just take quotes from the National Petroleum Council's study of Global oil forcasts.
19% Recoverability is not going to equate to 3 billion barrels of processable oil....If drilling did commence and we could pull at best 1 million barrels a day we would still be dependent on foreign oil since we're consuming 20 million a day (which will increase 50-60% by 2030).
For being a self proclaimed expert on the subject of energy you can't analyze your own statistics very well. By your numbers ANWAR would provide 5% of our daily oil supply.


http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

Do the math yourself. That's nearly as much oil as Iraq supplies us on a daily basis. Furthermore, Canada is our largest oil importer, what makes you think we wouldn't be successful drilling in their backyard?
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JamesG, Obviously you've found yourself occupied by some of todays problems. The report I posted stated the mean recovery was 3.2 billion barrels. That is "recoverable oil". ANWAR is not the answer either. Yet it does put some of the leverage in our favor. The oil crunch of the seventies we imported 7% of our oil, in 1994 we imported 40%, today we import 70%. Don't get me wrong alternative sources of energy are necessary but self reliance is more so crucial. We have given OPEC too much control. They are using oil as leverage. Saying that it would not produce benefits for 10+yrs is BS. How long do you think it would take to convert an entire country to renewable infrastructure. Your guess is as good as mine. Who's investing money, how much and where has nothing to do with anything. People invest money to make money. Not because they think it's the wave of the future. Anyone who's smart and has a chunk of change to invest would convert a large portion of their portfolio into green technologies. Why? In the next 5 yrs or so there will be leaps ahead in green tech. That translates into money. It's always about money. They don't give a crap about eco-impact. Only if it's going to make them money.
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As soon as they start exporting weapons grade nuclear material and nuclear technology to terrorist groups. Hopefully sooner because then it would be too late.



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