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Here comes the taliban
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...814968,00.html
I notice the people who who happen to be so pro palistinean are the same people that are so passionate about equal civil rights and freedom of speach. How can you so blindly support something with such fundamental differences?
I notice the people who who happen to be so pro palistinean are the same people that are so passionate about equal civil rights and freedom of speach. How can you so blindly support something with such fundamental differences?
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Being opposed to the way Israel has been treating Palistinians is not the same as supporting Hamas.
Thank you for yet another example of a compound fallacy, you've presented a false dichotomy combined with a staw man argument.
Thank you for yet another example of a compound fallacy, you've presented a false dichotomy combined with a staw man argument.
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Originally Posted by psoper
Being opposed to the way Israel has been treating Palistinians is not the same as supporting Hamas.
Thank you for yet another example of a compound fallacy, you've presented a false dichotomy combined with a staw man argument.
Thank you for yet another example of a compound fallacy, you've presented a false dichotomy combined with a staw man argument.
They treat each other even worse:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051006/...ns_fatal_feuds
RAMALLAH, West Bank - The number of Palestinians slain in vigilante killings and other internal violence has nearly quadrupled in four years, from 43 in 2002 to 151 so far in 2005, according to statistics presented Thursday.
A top security official said more Palestinians were killed in internal violence this year than by Israeli troops.
The descent into lawlessness is hurting Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas politically at a time when he is trying to beat back a tough challenge by Islamic militant rivals.
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good to see those whackos singing the same tune as the whackos in this country on a subject (gay marriage).
So next time you think that gay marriage is wrong, just think you are supporting TERRORIST IDEALS!!!
cant have that!
So next time you think that gay marriage is wrong, just think you are supporting TERRORIST IDEALS!!!
cant have that!
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Originally Posted by psoper
Being opposed to the way Israel has been treating Palistinians is not the same as supporting Hamas.
Thank you for yet another example of a compound fallacy, you've presented a false dichotomy combined with a staw man argument.
Thank you for yet another example of a compound fallacy, you've presented a false dichotomy combined with a staw man argument.
HAHAHAHA You never fail to amaze me. The Israelis use of force against Palistinians is a prime example of protecting the homefront. If suicide bombers came to your country and blew the ish out of everything would you just chalk it up as a lose? Oh wait, they already have and you've clearly stated that you essentially would in other threads. Sorry.
Do you think anything is worth fighting for?
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
good to see those whackos singing the same tune as the whackos in this country on a subject (gay marriage).
So next time you think that gay marriage is wrong, just think you are supporting TERRORIST IDEALS!!!
cant have that!
So next time you think that gay marriage is wrong, just think you are supporting TERRORIST IDEALS!!!
cant have that!
Constitutional? You tell me.
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Originally Posted by 1reguL8NSTi
The Israelis use of force against Palistinians is a prime example of protecting the homefront.
Ignorant stance...whose home front IS it? That's the real question being debated/fought over...it has been for about 2000years, it will forever. Unless two of the three modern western religions decide to disolve.
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Ignorant stance...whose home front IS it? That's the real question being debated/fought over...it has been for about 2000years, it will forever. Unless two of the three modern western religions decide to disolve.
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Does anyone have map of this mythical country of Palestine?
1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian nation. Palestians are Arabs living in a region that historically has been called many things, including "Palestine."
2) Israel did not go to war against a Palestinian state and occupy its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six Arab countries at once. She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and won the so-called territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and Egypt.
3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. It was certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want it? Because they have terrorists?
4) Jerusalem, under the current Israeli control, is a free and open city. Israel, as a democracy, guarantees freedom of religion within its borders. Compare this fact with areas that have come under Palestinian occupation.
5) Most Arab peoples living in Palestine today are not indigenous to the region. It was not until after the Jews had changed deserts and swamps into a productive and thriving land that the Arabs started migrating there. Arafat himself was born and raised in Cairo, Egypt.
1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian nation. Palestians are Arabs living in a region that historically has been called many things, including "Palestine."
2) Israel did not go to war against a Palestinian state and occupy its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six Arab countries at once. She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and won the so-called territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and Egypt.
3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. It was certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want it? Because they have terrorists?
4) Jerusalem, under the current Israeli control, is a free and open city. Israel, as a democracy, guarantees freedom of religion within its borders. Compare this fact with areas that have come under Palestinian occupation.
5) Most Arab peoples living in Palestine today are not indigenous to the region. It was not until after the Jews had changed deserts and swamps into a productive and thriving land that the Arabs started migrating there. Arafat himself was born and raised in Cairo, Egypt.
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I really didn't mean to derail the thread like this. But the fact of the matter is that regardless of weather there was a state or capital or anything, three groups claim the area that's now Isreal as a god-given area. Isreal is the only modern country that has sat there...but it's not a very old country, and the cicumstances in which it came to be a country are a little iffy in my opinion. I'm not antisemetic, I just know that the issue is much greater than a country (Isreal) defending its borders.
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Originally Posted by MVWRX
Isreal is the only modern country that has sat there...but it's not a very old country, and the cicumstances in which it came to be a country are a little iffy in my opinion. I'm not antisemetic, I just know that the issue is much greater than a country (Isreal) defending its borders.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
It just happens to be a shining beacon of freedon....
And yes, the way Israel treats palestinians is f-ed up, and the way some palestinians react, and treat each other is f-ed up.
I'm not saying that Palestinians are perfect- never did and never will, both sides are really f-ed up.
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