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So know we can't kill anyone we want, but as long as we write some childrens books in prison it's all forgotten?
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Actually MBasile, Tookie maintains his innocence of the the crimes that he was convicted of.
He's responsible for his lot in life.
No one forced him to rob a store.
No one forced him to kill four people.
He made all those choices himself & must now face the music.
Further, even the most liberal court in the nation, the 9th Circuit Court, says he guilty.
The arguement that he's helped others to either leave gangs or not to get caught up in the first place is rubbish.
He helped to cause the very problem he's now trying to fix.
Maybe he shouldn't of ****ed up in the first place.
He's responsible for his lot in life.
No one forced him to rob a store.
No one forced him to kill four people.
He made all those choices himself & must now face the music.
Further, even the most liberal court in the nation, the 9th Circuit Court, says he guilty.
The arguement that he's helped others to either leave gangs or not to get caught up in the first place is rubbish.
He helped to cause the very problem he's now trying to fix.
Maybe he shouldn't of ****ed up in the first place.
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I don't like the death penalty but when I put myself in the shoes of the people related to the victims....I want that f****r dead. I know that if someone were to kill my mom, or my dad, or one of my brothers.....I'd want cold blooded eye for an eye revenge. I'd request to do it myself with my bare hands.
Besides, his death will be his final lesson he teaches the kids.
Besides, his death will be his final lesson he teaches the kids.
Originally Posted by MBasile
you are an f-ing idiot if all you hink is "he killed some people, made a gang, and wrote a book" Heres how it went down
When he was younger he founded the crips as a vigalente group against the bloods that were entering his neighborhood. Yes, he murdered 4 people while robbing two places (a convienence store and a hotel). He plead guilty to those and is in jail. Since being in jail he has left the gang he helped found. He coulsels other gang members from and has helped them leave the gang life too. He has written 9 childrens book teaching them to stay out of gangs when they get older. An insane amount of people credit him for influencing them to get out of gangs, or to never join them. He may have killed 4 people, but think of all the lives he has saved. This is a man who is worth more to our world alive than dead. If the death penalty worked as a "lesson" in cases like this...we wouldnt need it anymore. I have done a lot of research on this and had to write a paper on it, so if you want to have a discussion about it, feel free to PM me.
When he was younger he founded the crips as a vigalente group against the bloods that were entering his neighborhood. Yes, he murdered 4 people while robbing two places (a convienence store and a hotel). He plead guilty to those and is in jail. Since being in jail he has left the gang he helped found. He coulsels other gang members from and has helped them leave the gang life too. He has written 9 childrens book teaching them to stay out of gangs when they get older. An insane amount of people credit him for influencing them to get out of gangs, or to never join them. He may have killed 4 people, but think of all the lives he has saved. This is a man who is worth more to our world alive than dead. If the death penalty worked as a "lesson" in cases like this...we wouldnt need it anymore. I have done a lot of research on this and had to write a paper on it, so if you want to have a discussion about it, feel free to PM me.
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So, um, do you guys think life in jail isnt punishment or something? Youd rather kill him, and not give help to all those kids that would have avoided gangs with his help? Guess, what, THEN WE'LL HAVE MORE GANG MEMBERS! friggin retards
Originally Posted by Chrisnonstop
Besides, his death will be his final lesson he teaches the kids.
His lesson should be this: Don't be like me, join a gang and then get the needle.
I think giving him the needle will send just as much of a message as any children's book.
Honestly, how many of us truely use the golden rule? Treat people the way you want to be treated? Probably not too often. I don't think that many of those kids will be saved by reading a book or two. They'll have SO many more outside influences that will point them in that kind of direction. It would take a parent to keep one of those kids out of a gang.
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hey geniuses, hes already teaching more kids than you'll ever teacher anyone, and hes still alive. Do you honestly think the death penalty teaches anyone anything? Like I said before, if it taught people not to kill, we wouldnt still need it.
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Originally Posted by jvick125
^^^I think this is one of the best ways to say it.
His lesson should be this: Don't be like me, join a gang and then get the needle.
I think giving him the needle will send just as much of a message as any children's book.
Honestly, how many of us truely use the golden rule? Treat people the way you want to be treated? Probably not too often. I don't think that many of those kids will be saved by reading a book or two. They'll have SO many more outside influences that will point them in that kind of direction. It would take a parent to keep one of those kids out of a gang.
His lesson should be this: Don't be like me, join a gang and then get the needle.
I think giving him the needle will send just as much of a message as any children's book.
Honestly, how many of us truely use the golden rule? Treat people the way you want to be treated? Probably not too often. I don't think that many of those kids will be saved by reading a book or two. They'll have SO many more outside influences that will point them in that kind of direction. It would take a parent to keep one of those kids out of a gang.
So this guy who obviously deserves what he dished out without remorse at the time, now deserves clemency cause he may be a factor in whether or not some kids join a gang? There are many others that started in gangs and now present a great roll model for kids to aspire to. I admit what he was creating at the time he may not have known, but he still ran the show for 20 years. It might have been that if he had not help to create this gang, many of the members might not have been. Find a count of the murders commited by the many crab gangs and then comeback. Spending life in prison is a penalty and no day in the park, but imho it's more than this man deserves..
Before all this current news I doubt most kids at the street level even knew who this man was. I also don't understand why you have such hostility toward some of the members of this board for thier opinion. Jvick said neither anything offensive or idiotic. You however border on sounding closer to the situation than allowed for rational thought.
Before all this current news I doubt most kids at the street level even knew who this man was. I also don't understand why you have such hostility toward some of the members of this board for thier opinion. Jvick said neither anything offensive or idiotic. You however border on sounding closer to the situation than allowed for rational thought.
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Originally Posted by MBasile
So, um, do you guys think life in jail isnt punishment or something? Youd rather kill him, and not give help to all those kids that would have avoided gangs with his help? Guess, what, THEN WE'LL HAVE MORE GANG MEMBERS! friggin retards
The only people that want Tookie alive are those that parade their children as drones because they’re against the death penalty, and those that think he’ll somehow manage to influence children because they’re too stupid to remember how they didn’t give a damn as a child.
So how could a children’s book a child is most likely going to forget supposed to help any? Does 'Everyone Poops' still help you take a **** and does 'Green Eggs & Ham" help you remember who to fry and egg? Who's the retard here, exactly? Shouldn't we be more concerned about parenting in order to insure correct development of a child's future rather than being concerned for a man that's been convicted and sentenced to death?
Last edited by Salty; Dec 11, 2005 at 10:47 PM.
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Here's my last argument for those that are against his death.
Do you think there's any thoughts Tookie hasn't written down on paper yet? Do you think his message(s) are accurately portrayed in his books, in articles, interviews, various books, those who know him, etc, etc, etc?
If you think so then he's already immortalized in that respect. What else does he have to say that he didn’t already have a chance to say during the 13yrs behind bars? Make a video so it can be distributed for school assemblies if you must. Thank you, we can now carry out his sentence that's backed by LAW.
Do you think there's any thoughts Tookie hasn't written down on paper yet? Do you think his message(s) are accurately portrayed in his books, in articles, interviews, various books, those who know him, etc, etc, etc?
If you think so then he's already immortalized in that respect. What else does he have to say that he didn’t already have a chance to say during the 13yrs behind bars? Make a video so it can be distributed for school assemblies if you must. Thank you, we can now carry out his sentence that's backed by LAW.
Last edited by Salty; Dec 11, 2005 at 10:55 PM.
Originally Posted by MBasile
you, sir, are an f-ing idiot.
I think I deserve an apology from such a hostile post. If you'd like to PM it to me, that'd be fine as well.
What Salty said about the children's books is what I meant with the golden rule comment. A couple of books don't determine who we're going to be. It's how we're RAISED, be it by our parents, neighborhood, community, society, culture, etc. It's not going to be that heavily affect by a couple of books.