What are your guys' views on saving this guys life, I know not everyone is from Socal where this crap is on every channel of the news all the time, but maybe you still are hearing about it where you're from.

He's an alleged co-founder of the Crips, convicted of murdering 4, and now some celebrities are rallying around him because he has written a few children's short stories.....crap IMO.

He is set to be lethally injected on Tuesday Dec. 13, I believe.

Any thoughts?

 

So he was tried and convicted of murder and given the death penalty, correct? I was unaware that writing a couple children books could eliminate that fact. Interesting...

The dude is a monster both in size and in mind. You think the leader of one of the most notorious gangs isn’t influential and capable of persuasion? How in the hell do you think he became a leader in the first place? I’d tell you I’m Joan of Arc if it meant saving me from the needle.

 

But he is a man that's inspired a lot of people to stop gang violence or a life of crime. It's a tough one for me... i'd be willing to give the man the benefit of the doubt regarding his new look on life but the other side of me says that there's no free rides... sorry…

 

Would he have been an anti-gang advocate if he hadn't been convicted of murder? I doubt he'd have had so much quiet time to sit and reflect on his life.
Sorry, but I don't think we should allow convicts to work off their death sentence.

If he indeed committed these crimes, he should get the needle.

Since this has turned into something more about politics than justice, I think Arnold should stay the execution and let the next CA governor deal with it.

 

^^I guess its a tough call, but how can someone be truly "reformed" if they never confessed to the crimes they are convicted of?

I think I heard somewhere that he's scared of dying......how the hell does he think his 4 victims felt?

And I'm sure he's guilty of alot more than just 4 murders, probably alot of armed robberies, assaults, etc....

I dunno, I don't believe he's truly reformed, but if the alternative is life in prison, I guess I can live with that because he is trying to keep kids out of gangs.

 

I think that makes a very good point. What kind of positive is it to kill him? On the other hand if he has to spend the rest of his life in prison and while he is there he is continuing to help kids stay away from gangs then there is some benefit there.

It's a very tough call and either way will **** off alot of people.....

 

The death penalty sucks in the first place for a myriad of reasons. Second, this guy has so much respect from people in gangs that he really could make a HUGE difference if left alive.


I don't want to excuse him, he's a murdering crip. But I don't think any of them should get death, so he certainly should be allowed life w/o paroll.

 

I'm not too big on capital punishment either, but if anyone deserves it he does.

 

Don't know much about the trial but if the evidence supported him getting the death penalty then it needs to be carried out.

Even though our penal system is based on reform, once you get the death penalty reform is no longer the goal.

 

I hear about this but wonder how blown out of proportion it really is. With the exception of a few children stories and a few statements that urge a positive direction in life here and there, how effective of a role model can you be behind bars? Keep in mind that we aren't talking about Nelson Mandela here.

Snoop Dog was at the prison recently and spoke about how Tookie influenced him in a good way. I thought to myself about how Snoop still makes gang-bang references in his most recent music... music that still makes it to the radio waves.

Here's Snoops heartfelt speech: http://www.savetookie.org/ *Scroll down half way to Snoops face and hit PLAY*

And here's lyrics from one of his songs:

"Oh you got a gun so you wanna pop back?
AK47 now *****, stop that!",

...

"I'm a gangsta, but y'all knew that
Da Big Bo$$ Dogg, yeah I had to do that
I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside
But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side"

WTF?! Way to take the message straight to heart, ehh Snoop dipity Dog? So if your boy Tookie played such a dramatic role in your life then why in the **** are you trying to promote it even further! So how does the public expect me to believe anyone else absorbed the message(s) Tookie addressed?

What I also love to hear from those that think Tookie should live is how he's lived his last 13yrs behind bars in remorse. I thought to myself at least he had another 13yrs to live as opposed to his victims! **** him. Inject his *** twice.

 

If you judge this by Snoop's response to this, of couse it's gonna sound idiotic. I see your point about snoop not getting the message Tookie suposedly is spreading...but I honestly think it has a way more significant impact in places where the crips or other gangs still run things. He did start the crips...when the person who starts an organization, decades later, is telling people that trust him that he was wrong in the first place I think they may listen. That is speculation. But if you put yourself in a hypothetical situation where the virtual 'godfather' of your peer group is telling everyone to realize that gang life isn't the best way, I think you might see that he probably has an impact.

Additionally, this is a great example of one situation where the death penalty causes problems. If he originally had been thrown in prison for life without parole, there would be no particular day when people would rally for him. They would just know that, since he killed people, he will never be let out of prison and nothing will be changed by protests or pickets. Not to mention that this whole fiasco must have cost a lot of money even if he gets killed...