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At least my statement(s) show continuity & consistency.
People that believe that Israel needs to stop doing what she's doing, while living in a conquered nation themselves is rather hypocritical...kinda like the douchebag-driven Prius's that sport "FREE TIBET" bumperstickers.
All nations, countries, lands, are either being occupied by, have been occupied by, or will be occupied by "non natives".
People that believe that Israel needs to stop doing what she's doing, while living in a conquered nation themselves is rather hypocritical...kinda like the douchebag-driven Prius's that sport "FREE TIBET" bumperstickers.
All nations, countries, lands, are either being occupied by, have been occupied by, or will be occupied by "non natives".
I must admit that I'm surprised at your position on this situation, Paul.
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That strikes me as a disingenuous analogy -- similar to be sure, but enough important differences to make it invalid. For example, Israel continues to oppress and occupy beyond their own borders. They are waging a continuous war against an already crushed populace.
I must admit that I'm surprised at your position on this situation, Paul.
I must admit that I'm surprised at your position on this situation, Paul.
Here's another way of looking at it:
If Syria, et al, stopped supporting terrorism against Israel, there would be peace.
If Israel stopped their war like behavior, Israel would cease to exist.
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I'm not sure I agree with such a unilateral view and over-simplification. There has not always been terrorist behavior coming out of Palestine (pre-1967), and there have also been numerous ceasefires, which both sides have taken advantage of. Insofar as the claim of Israel "[ceasing] to exist," most Arab nations have clearly said that they support a two-state solution, which Israel has consistently denied -- and your logic gives them free rein to do whatever they want.
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As I already pointed out, all prior two-state examples are drastically different from the Israel-Palestine conflict.
I'm not really understanding why you think allowing existing Palestinian territory to become a sovereign nation won't work. Why do you believe they must live under the oppressive yoke of Israel?
I'm not really understanding why you think allowing existing Palestinian territory to become a sovereign nation won't work. Why do you believe they must live under the oppressive yoke of Israel?
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Paul, you know I love you (in a Viking way), but I think you need to expand your perspective a bit. Check out this article:
Rest of the article here.
Are Two States a Solution?
No one knows how to process peace in the Middle East.
By Clifford D. May
Speaking to the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee the other day, Vice President Joe Biden said: “Israel has to work toward a two-state solution.”
“You’re not going to like my saying this,” he added, but the Jewish state should not build more settlements on Palestinian territory, and should “dismantle existing outposts and allow Palestinians freedom of movement.”
Actually, it is doubtful that many people in that audience disliked — or even disagreed with — Biden’s admonitions. The same is true in Israel, where polls have for years shown widespread support for the dream of Jewish and Palestinian Arab states living in peace and aspiring to cooperation, if not friendship. As for dismantling settlements and giving up land — a commodity pint-sized Israel does not have in abundance — Israelis have repeatedly demonstrated that they are prepared to make significant concessions.
No one knows how to process peace in the Middle East.
By Clifford D. May
Speaking to the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee the other day, Vice President Joe Biden said: “Israel has to work toward a two-state solution.”
“You’re not going to like my saying this,” he added, but the Jewish state should not build more settlements on Palestinian territory, and should “dismantle existing outposts and allow Palestinians freedom of movement.”
Actually, it is doubtful that many people in that audience disliked — or even disagreed with — Biden’s admonitions. The same is true in Israel, where polls have for years shown widespread support for the dream of Jewish and Palestinian Arab states living in peace and aspiring to cooperation, if not friendship. As for dismantling settlements and giving up land — a commodity pint-sized Israel does not have in abundance — Israelis have repeatedly demonstrated that they are prepared to make significant concessions.
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For the record, all I really give a **** about is our government backing Israel. **** that. I believe we should stop supporting Israel both militarily and financially, and let the chips fall where they may. Our unilateral support of Israel only engenders further hatred of the U.S. from the Arab world, including Islamic militants and terrorist groups.
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As I already pointed out, all prior two-state examples are drastically different from the Israel-Palestine conflict.
I'm not really understanding why you think allowing existing Palestinian territory to become a sovereign nation won't work. Why do you believe they must live under the oppressive yoke of Israel?
I'm not really understanding why you think allowing existing Palestinian territory to become a sovereign nation won't work. Why do you believe they must live under the oppressive yoke of Israel?
We've all seen what happens when the Palestinians are given Israeli property.
For the record, I really don't give a **** about the ME, in general.
I am sympathetic towards Israel, having Jewish relatives/family/blood.
I'm willing to agree to a two state if violence stops, but god help the non Jew if a two state happens and then fails.
There are plenty of terrorists who are American. Just think about the NY dudes tryin' to blow NY City up again. Terrorism will always exist, therefore war on terror will always exist, blah blah blah. False crap to go to war, waste our money in foreign affairs when obviously we need the money in our economy.
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Are you willing to acknowledge that violence must stop from both sides?
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Let me clarify.
The concept known as "Land for Peace" is pure folly:
That worked out wonderfully.
The concept known as "Land for Peace" is pure folly:
"My good friends, for the second time in our history, A British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing Peace With Honor. I believe it is Peace For Our Time. Go home and have a good sleep."
- British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain 1938
- British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain 1938