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Old Jan 6, 2009 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ldivinag

so trying to eliminate these "terrorrists" is another form of terrorism?
If the IDF were to go in and only arrest or take out legitimate targets- armed, active militants, your argument would have a leg to stand on, but as long as they are bombing schools and killing innocent women and children, then yes- I would say that Israel is just as much of a "terrorist" as Hamas.


and this thread STILL belongs in the Political forum, not here.
Old Jan 6, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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marching in SF will do nothing for anything in the middle east. sorry, but it's true.

let them march... as long as it remains peaceful on both sides.
Old Jan 6, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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WTF is this?! Since when did we allow terrorists the right of free speech and protest?
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So people marching against the murder and injuries of thousands of people is wrong? Since when? So far over 550 Palestinian people have died and thousands have been injured due to the attacks that ISRAEL started in Gaza. I thought it was interesting that it only started to be on the US news when Palestinians started killing them back. It’s basically like were saying they can kill innocent people for no reason and they have no right to defend themselves.
And just to let you know, just because people are from the Middle East doesn’t mean they are terrorists (or does it even mean their Muslim). I find it amazing that people are so damn racist.
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all i see are just a bunch of hypebeast hypocrites with their kanye west scarfs. im pretty sure they enjoy their 'american' lives and still they bash it... i say if you dont like the country...then get out.
Wow this has to be the most idiotic thing I’ve heard. Kanye West scarves? LOL Kanye West got that from Palestinians buddy. I have one myself and my boyfriend got it for me from overseas. lol I started cracking up when i read that one.
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 08:35 AM
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So people marching against the murder and injuries of thousands of people is wrong? Since when? So far over 550 Palestinian people have died and thousands have been injured due to the attacks that ISRAEL started in Gaza. I thought it was interesting that it only started to be on the US news when Palestinians started killing them back. It’s basically like were saying they can kill innocent people for no reason and they have no right to defend themselves.
And just to let you know, just because people are from the Middle East doesn’t mean they are terrorists (or does it even mean their Muslim). I find it amazing that people are so damn racist.

Wow this has to be the most idiotic thing I’ve heard. Kanye West scarves? LOL Kanye West got that from Palestinians buddy. I have one myself and my boyfriend got it for me from overseas. lol I started cracking up when i read that one.
Please re-read your Middle East history.
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Please re-read your Middle East history.
Seriously. That Subygal must have read the Al Jazeera version of Middle East history and believed every word of it.
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 09:09 AM
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Ya know, thats something that makes America, America.

Would you have preferred we take this route against the protesters?
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Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by psoper
Last time I checked, Hamas was the democratically elected government of the Palestinian territories.

Just like the Republicans who were in charge here the last few years.

I'm not saying that their shooting missiles into Israel is justified- any more than W and friends bombing the crap out of Iraq was, but neither is the IDF's murdering hundreds of innocent Palestinian women and children- its really quite simple- terror breeds more terror.

You can't stop terrorism by inflicting more terrorism any more than you can stop a fire by pouring gasoline on it.


and this still belongs in the politics forum, not here.
What kind of garbage is that business???

Last I checked, we took a murder out of power in Iraq and are helping to establish and protect the freedoms all mankind deserves from birth.

Hamas is launching rockets at Israeli civilians from neighborhoods in Gaza, thereby endangering "their" OWN PEOPLE from the threat of retaliation due to the area of origin for missle launches being in the proximity of civilians!

HAMAS is the elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza... Therefore the elected government MADE the streets of Gaza a WAR ZONE by launching missiles at Israel from them! Their ignorance and carelessness resonates with the responsibility for the DEATHS of their electors, their civilians, their families! Citizens have a responsibility to hold their government accountable or those citizens may face being collateral damage WHEN other nations are FORCED to hold THEIR government accountable for their actions!

Nothing more patriotic than launching rockets from your local neighborhood and then hidding in schools so when you are retaliated against and fought you can politically cry about the inhumanity, they're responsible for the deaths of civilians by starting a war in their neighboorhoods BY CHOICE

Hard core liberalism is a disease that plagues the mind, you side with the attackers, the bully that picked the fight, and plead for their salvation from what they've brought upon themselves through evil.

Seriously...

Say you saw a bully walk across town to punch a kid in the face every day in front of bystanders who watched and did nothing.
After 3 months the kid finally fought back and defended himself against the bully. The "inocent" bystanders that allowed it to happen who stand in the circle around them fighting are going to eventually catch a blow because they're allowing the fight to happen!
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by G_Ride
Well, a terrorist to one group is considered a hero to others. So yeah, trying to eliminate terrorists can be seen as terrorism, from a different perspective.
While it's true that perspective is involved, there is a huge difference.

Answer me this:

How is the United States taking out terrorists to protect their victims ANY DIFFERENT than police in the US taking out criminals to protect their victims?
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
How is the United States taking out terrorists to protect their victims ANY DIFFERENT than police in the US taking out criminals to protect their victims?
Apples and Oranges.
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by psoper
If the IDF were to go in and only arrest or take out legitimate targets- armed, active militants, your argument would have a leg to stand on, but as long as they are bombing schools and killing innocent women and children, then yes- I would say that Israel is just as much of a "terrorist" as Hamas.


and this thread STILL belongs in the Political forum, not here.
Well, where are the ELECTED GOVERMENT MILITANTS (HAMAS) hidding???

Ahhha! If they hide in schools and choose to have their innocent civillians killed in cross fire.... then the Liberals across the world will plead for the inhumanity of those trying to take out the sick, twisted terrorists hidding in schools, hospitals, and other politically sensitive areas..

...right...
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by R-Dub
Apples and Oranges.
Then make a fruit salad and answer the question
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
Then make a fruit salad and answer the question

I like that!

Can you please clarify the question?
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by medicSTi
While it's true that perspective is involved, there is a huge difference.

Answer me this:

How is the United States taking out terrorists to protect their victims ANY DIFFERENT than police in the US taking out criminals to protect their victims?
Due process

That is how it is different, police attempt to arrest, then bring to trial and convict criminals, according to the rule of law.

Once you are labeled a terrorist, regardless of why, or who labeled you as such- apparently you cease to be a human being and can be tortured, and even exterminated without any chance to defend yourself.

Not only that but your family and neighbors who had nothing to do with you are likewise stripped of their most basic human rights and very lives by becoming "collateral damage"

And that seems to be all fine and dandy with you.

But you need to realize that you too can be labeled a terrorist, and if so, there is nothing that you can do about it.

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Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SubieBabe
So people marching against the murder and injuries of thousands of people is wrong? Since when? So far over 550 Palestinian people have died and thousands have been injured due to the attacks that ISRAEL started in Gaza. I thought it was interesting that it only started to be on the US news when Palestinians started killing them back. It’s basically like were saying they can kill innocent people for no reason and they have no right to defend themselves.
And just to let you know, just because people are from the Middle East doesn’t mean they are terrorists (or does it even mean their Muslim). I find it amazing that people are so damn racist.

Wow this has to be the most idiotic thing I’ve heard. Kanye West scarves? LOL Kanye West got that from Palestinians buddy. I have one myself and my boyfriend got it for me from overseas. lol I started cracking up when i read that one.
You find what you are looking for Jayme.

It is truly sad that Palestinians and Israelis are dying... really it is. In an ideal world, fitting would be unneccesary... but we live in the real world.

What is even more sad is that those innocent Palestinians who elected Hamas are being betrayed by their own government, which has made the streets a war zone.

Hamas is choosing to hide in schools and hospitals... that is sad. Why would such a just government elected by the people put those who elected them in danger???

It's sad that the Palestinians were tricked or forced into electing a government that would get them into such a situation.

Imagine the US launching missiles at Russia and then Russia launching an attack on San Francisco, toppling buildings and killing millions. But, meanwhile the US still chooses to launch missiles at Russia... Makes sense, right??? I didn't think so.
Old Jan 7, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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^ That and terrorists are not governed by the laws of our country; and since the UN has not given us the laws in which to police the whole world, we cannot be held accountable to do as such.



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