Racist Cop or Racist Prof?
07-28-2009, 03:28 PM
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See my previous post where I addressed that:
Just because the reality of the situation is such that officers will often abuse their power does not mean that it is right or legal. That's why I said "I should be able to say whatever the **** I want to them."
Originally Posted by saqwarrior
As for "say whatever you want," you're right -- verbally berating an officer will at times incite them to an abuse of their power. The fact remains that insulting an officer's "mother" is not a crime.
If you don't believe me, ask any of the officers on this site, all of whom seem like very reasonable and respectful people. I bet you that they will all say that a good officer will continue to act in a professional capacity and not use verbal insults as an excuse to come down harder on someone.
If you don't believe me, ask any of the officers on this site, all of whom seem like very reasonable and respectful people. I bet you that they will all say that a good officer will continue to act in a professional capacity and not use verbal insults as an excuse to come down harder on someone.
07-28-2009, 03:47 PM
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Yelling at a police officer is not a crime,he was falsely arrested and that's why the charges were dropped.Obama should not have commented on the situation and the media should not have payed this any attention let alone fuel the fire.
Similar situations like this happen all the time involving persons of all races,just because the guy is a professor does not mean it should get national attention.
Similar situations like this happen all the time involving persons of all races,just because the guy is a professor does not mean it should get national attention.
07-28-2009, 04:16 PM
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Wow. Is that kind of behavior really appropriate for a site moderator? What about my statement indicates that I'm on a high horse? The fact that I'm aware of what is legal and what isn't? Or are you just upset at anyone that is intent on preserving their civil liberties and constitutional rights?
Speaking of being a "dumbass," I said nothing about making threats of murder, I said insulting a police officer is not a crime. And your example is invalid, as federal law states that making a threat against the life of the president is a crime, per U.S. code title 18, 871.
My suggestion: don't call someone a dumbass if you're going to make yourself look like a ****ing idiot in the same post. And don't call someone something on the internet that you're not willing to call them face to face.
My suggestion: don't call someone a dumbass if you're going to make yourself look like a ****ing idiot in the same post. And don't call someone something on the internet that you're not willing to call them face to face.
07-29-2009, 07:46 AM
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Why? What should they charge him with?
He didn't break the law. Even if you don't like what the professor did, he still had the right to do it. There's no law that says you have to be friendly and cordial when being questioned by the police.
Out of all the hyperbole in this forum about how were losing more rights every day, I wouldn't expect this comment.
He didn't break the law. Even if you don't like what the professor did, he still had the right to do it. There's no law that says you have to be friendly and cordial when being questioned by the police.
Out of all the hyperbole in this forum about how were losing more rights every day, I wouldn't expect this comment.
he was warned several times. The Charges were dropped because of who he was and because of the racial S***storm (no other reason).
You go talk s*** to a cop and get arrested and see if the charges suddenly get dropped.
I don't think the cop is in the wrong here. (and I'm not by in large Police state or pro-police for that matter)
I have a problem with special classes. "oh you can't arrest him!! He's a special person!! He's a Harvard Professor and a Friend of the One!!"
And as long as we're on it.. The cop wasn't the one that dropped the race card 10 seconds into the interaction.
Let's face it. The Professor was using the race card to get himself some sort of special treatment. and really he didn't need it.
If the Prof would have showed his ID.. (keep in mind he had just forced open the front door of a house.) and not been a complete *ss to the cop! we probably would not be hearing this on the news.
07-29-2009, 08:05 AM
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He was arrested for Disorderly conduct, not B&E.
he was warned several times. The Charges were dropped because of who he was and because of the racial S***storm (no other reason).
You go talk s*** to a cop and get arrested and see if the charges suddenly get dropped.
I don't think the cop is in the wrong here. (and I'm not by in large Police state or pro-police for that matter)
I have a problem with special classes. "oh you can't arrest him!! He's a special person!! He's a Harvard Professor and a Friend of the One!!"
And as long as we're on it.. The cop wasn't the one that dropped the race card 10 seconds into the interaction.
Let's face it. The Professor was using the race card to get himself some sort of special treatment. and really he didn't need it.
If the Prof would have showed his ID.. (keep in mind he had just forced open the front door of a house.) and not been a complete *ss to the cop! we probably would not be hearing this on the news.
he was warned several times. The Charges were dropped because of who he was and because of the racial S***storm (no other reason).
You go talk s*** to a cop and get arrested and see if the charges suddenly get dropped.
I don't think the cop is in the wrong here. (and I'm not by in large Police state or pro-police for that matter)
I have a problem with special classes. "oh you can't arrest him!! He's a special person!! He's a Harvard Professor and a Friend of the One!!"
And as long as we're on it.. The cop wasn't the one that dropped the race card 10 seconds into the interaction.
Let's face it. The Professor was using the race card to get himself some sort of special treatment. and really he didn't need it.
If the Prof would have showed his ID.. (keep in mind he had just forced open the front door of a house.) and not been a complete *ss to the cop! we probably would not be hearing this on the news.
It was a bull**** charge and the cop knew it after all was said and done. The guy didn't do anything wrong.
This should not have required any special treatment. No one else in that guy's position should have been arrested either. People are only respectful to the police because they are scared. This guy wasn't scared of the cops and this pissed off a lot of people who are and think he should be arrested for it.
07-29-2009, 08:55 AM
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now you will not admit you are wrong you will just argue
thats exactly why you are on your high horse
this is the politics forum if you can take criticism then this maybe not the right part of the forum for you. its going go get heated. ill be at BAM lets all meet at pauls tent and have a beer
and yes i talk to people like this in real life ask SCIC ill call them dumb *** useless ect ect to their face. no problems, now saying it behind some ones back i dont like.
07-29-2009, 10:13 AM
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no you didnt, you are wrong.
now you will not admit you are wrong you will just argue
thats exactly why you are on your high horse
this is the politics forum if you can take criticism then this maybe not the right part of the forum for you. its going go get heated. ill be at BAM lets all meet at pauls tent and have a beer
and yes i talk to people like this in real life ask SCIC ill call them dumb *** useless ect ect to their face. no problems, now saying it behind some ones back i dont like.
now you will not admit you are wrong you will just argue
thats exactly why you are on your high horse
this is the politics forum if you can take criticism then this maybe not the right part of the forum for you. its going go get heated. ill be at BAM lets all meet at pauls tent and have a beer
and yes i talk to people like this in real life ask SCIC ill call them dumb *** useless ect ect to their face. no problems, now saying it behind some ones back i dont like.
07-29-2009, 12:09 PM
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What you're doing is taking my statement out of context and taking it to the extreme so that you can misrepresent what I said, and what I meant.
The entire discussion in this thread about what Gates said to the officer has been based on the fact that he insulted the officer, which is not a crime. My statement was written within the context of that discussion, and as such it should have been implied that I did not mean it to include threatening to kill someone.
Regardless of all that, I told you what I meant, after you either purposely or genuinely "misunderstood" my statement.
And now this has become an argument of semantics, which I hate participating in. I'm only writing this response to clarify exactly what I meant.
this is the politics forum if you can take criticism then this maybe not the right part of the forum for you. its going go get heated. ill be at BAM lets all meet at pauls tent and have a beer
and yes i talk to people like this in real life ask SCIC ill call them dumb *** useless ect ect to their face. no problems, now saying it behind some ones back i dont like.
and yes i talk to people like this in real life ask SCIC ill call them dumb *** useless ect ect to their face. no problems, now saying it behind some ones back i dont like.
I have no problem having a beer with you, or anyone here, but leave the insults out of our interactions. Things can get heated without being an *******. I think we're all adult enough to be able to do that, right?
07-29-2009, 12:19 PM
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Ehh... I'm not sure about that, but since I don't have a specialty in constitutional law, I'm not going to argue the point. Remember, freedom of speech and freedom of expression have pretty broad applications across the board.
