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And actually, the increases will only be for those in the 33% bracket and up, which is married couples making more than $200,000 a year.
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OH my God.
Obama won't give you new taxes either, unless you make over 250k a year. That you won't check out the info yourself, and are relying on a poorly written and almost entirely false email to choose a candidate is either a testament to your laziness or your ignorance. The info is all right here, in this thread, or easily accessible with a few google searches. I found, and wrote all that in 40mins.
At the very least, since taxes are the biggest issue to you, check out the tax policy center. It gives you a honest, non partisan, non biased view of both candidates preliminary tax and spending plans. The report is a pdf that is easy to read, and takes maybe 20min. Easy.
Obama won't give you new taxes either, unless you make over 250k a year. That you won't check out the info yourself, and are relying on a poorly written and almost entirely false email to choose a candidate is either a testament to your laziness or your ignorance. The info is all right here, in this thread, or easily accessible with a few google searches. I found, and wrote all that in 40mins.
At the very least, since taxes are the biggest issue to you, check out the tax policy center. It gives you a honest, non partisan, non biased view of both candidates preliminary tax and spending plans. The report is a pdf that is easy to read, and takes maybe 20min. Easy.
the most I remember is the retroactive tax increase from Clinton in 93, I DO NOT WANT THAT AGAIN.
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Just look at the plans. Hop off i-club for an hour and read them both.
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OH my God.
Obama won't give you new taxes either, unless you make over 250k a year. That you won't check out the info yourself, and are relying on a poorly written and almost entirely false email to choose a candidate is either a testament to your laziness or your ignorance. The info is all right here, in this thread, or easily accessible with a few google searches. I found, and wrote all that in 40mins.
At the very least, since taxes are the biggest issue to you, check out the tax policy center. It gives you a honest, non partisan, non biased view of both candidates preliminary tax and spending plans. The report is a pdf that is easy to read, and takes maybe 20min. Easy.
Obama won't give you new taxes either, unless you make over 250k a year. That you won't check out the info yourself, and are relying on a poorly written and almost entirely false email to choose a candidate is either a testament to your laziness or your ignorance. The info is all right here, in this thread, or easily accessible with a few google searches. I found, and wrote all that in 40mins.
At the very least, since taxes are the biggest issue to you, check out the tax policy center. It gives you a honest, non partisan, non biased view of both candidates preliminary tax and spending plans. The report is a pdf that is easy to read, and takes maybe 20min. Easy.
Hey if he's gonna post that email as his info then there is this guy in Nigeria that wants to give him like 75 percent of 20 million dollars. All he has to do is send the guy his bank account social and first and last name.....
Honestly though this is sad. Voting uninformed is stupid....Take ten minutes to read each of their plans for god sakes.....Do some fricken research and don't come in here and post BS numbers meant to skew peoples opinion of a candidate. I just went through that entire email after I got it from my sister and everything in it is misleading at best and complete BullSh*t at worst....The version of that email I got the sources at the bottom didn't even work.....The links just took you to the homepage of the link.....
Here's a tip....DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN AN EMAIL!!!
One more thing....
www.factcheck.org Make it your friend....
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Neither one of them has a solid plan for anything. Getting rid of the budget deficit, especially now with a weak econ, out of control housing, and an over budgeted war, is a painful process for everyone. But American's are too selfish to pony up to it so both candidates have half assed plans so as to not hurt too many pockets. And this is the mess we're stuck in.
Not voting for either one of them. Politics are bull****
Not voting for either one of them. Politics are bull****
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I don't see the difference between community organizations and church organizations. They are both trying to do the same thing, it's just one is more geographic than demographic.
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1. He's offering nothing new.
2. At best, he's a Socialist. At worst, a Marxist.
3. Change??? What kinda change? The unknown worries me.
4. He has no political record that is worthy of my vote.
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Well, seeing that I'm a "the glass is empty and will never be refilled " kinda person, I see a big problem with Obama.
1. He's offering nothing new.
2. At best, he's a Socialist. At worst, a Marxist.
3. Change??? What kinda change? The unknown worries me.
4. He has no political record that is worthy of my vote.
1. He's offering nothing new.
2. At best, he's a Socialist. At worst, a Marxist.
3. Change??? What kinda change? The unknown worries me.
4. He has no political record that is worthy of my vote.
McCain has said many of the standard, tired GOP talking points, while at the same time promises to be different than Bush. Sounds like neither Obama nor McCain can win...
But then again, I don't trust any of them. I don't want more taxes or social programs so I doubt I'll vote for Obama. McCain gives me the creeps (he should really stop trying to smile) and Palin scares me even more.
Oh well, there's always next election...
I would like to know how some people feel it would not be better - and I am not saying I take a stand. I'm trying to find something to believe in, but I cannot even pick a "least horrible" option and will probably, sadly, not end up voting. I'm not sure about Obama/Biden, but I am sure I don't want McCain/Palin. Frankly, most of the people I have heard going for McCain and ushering forth bad info on Obama are people that seem - for lack of a better way to say it - stupid. Add to that the info is usually easily proved wrong or from untrustworthy sources, and that sort of makes me feel uneasy. Removes any hope that may have lingered. Pretty much the exact thing happened with Bush if I remember right.
I do not ever argue politics and this is my first post in a forum of this type - this is mostly because we are all incredibly different and I could never expect someone's views to be exactly inline with mine and vice versa. I guess I would like to see what someone thinks would be good about their party choice versus just always hearing contrived BS about what would be bad about the other.
I do not ever argue politics and this is my first post in a forum of this type - this is mostly because we are all incredibly different and I could never expect someone's views to be exactly inline with mine and vice versa. I guess I would like to see what someone thinks would be good about their party choice versus just always hearing contrived BS about what would be bad about the other.
I would like to know how some people feel it would not be better - and I am not saying I take a stand. I'm trying to find something to believe in, but I cannot even pick a "least horrible" option and will probably, sadly, not end up voting. I'm not sure about Obama/Biden, but I am sure I don't want McCain/Palin. Frankly, most of the people I have heard going for McCain and ushering forth bad info on Obama are people that seem - for lack of a better way to say it - stupid. Add to that the info is usually easily proved wrong or from untrustworthy sources, and that sort of makes me feel uneasy. Removes any hope that may have lingered. Pretty much the exact thing happened with Bush if I remember right.
I do not ever argue politics and this is my first post in a forum of this type - this is mostly because we are all incredibly different and I could never expect someone's views to be exactly inline with mine and vice versa. I guess I would like to see what someone thinks would be good about their party choice versus just always hearing contrived BS about what would be bad about the other.
I do not ever argue politics and this is my first post in a forum of this type - this is mostly because we are all incredibly different and I could never expect someone's views to be exactly inline with mine and vice versa. I guess I would like to see what someone thinks would be good about their party choice versus just always hearing contrived BS about what would be bad about the other.
I was pro Bush in 2000. What a bitter, bitter, misjudgement. Everything he said he was for he went back on.
I'm not going to take that chance again with McCain. And Palin is a complete n00b at humanity. As funny as the Matt Damon thing was, there is some serious truth to the fear that this country could be run by someone like that.
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Well, seeing that I'm a "the glass is empty and will never be refilled " kinda person, I see a big problem with Obama.
1. He's offering nothing new.
2. At best, he's a Socialist. At worst, a Marxist.
3. Change??? What kinda change? The unknown worries me.
4. He has no political record that is worthy of my vote.
1. He's offering nothing new.
2. At best, he's a Socialist. At worst, a Marxist.
3. Change??? What kinda change? The unknown worries me.
4. He has no political record that is worthy of my vote.
2) I think if you read his economic policy, you would definately not call him a socialist. Actually, it depends on your thoughts on Billy Clinton's economic policy. If you call Clinton a socialist, then I guess Obama is one as well.
3) Change of face. Change of mind. Change that demonstrates both to ourselves and the world that the last 8 years do not represent the American ideal. There really isn't that much that is unknown. Look at non-partisan groups who have picked out his policies out of speeches, and you will see his policies are fairly well layed out.
4) I guess if that is what is most important to you, then voting for McCain makes sense. Personally, fiscal policy and social issues are more important than the number of years he has spent in DC. The past has shown us that there is definately not a 1:1 correlation between congressional voting record and decisions made as President.
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Bleh, I personaly don't care for Obama either but hey what are my 2 cents?
As for the hummers I dono about the armor thing or what ever you speak of. My friends own a welding shop that just signed with the government and they are building a lot of the stuff for the new ones for the military. Look pretty heavy duty to me. But once again, what are my 2 cents?? :P
As for the hummers I dono about the armor thing or what ever you speak of. My friends own a welding shop that just signed with the government and they are building a lot of the stuff for the new ones for the military. Look pretty heavy duty to me. But once again, what are my 2 cents?? :P
