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Old 05-23-2007, 05:35 AM
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Most American Muslims are Moderate

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Originally Posted by The Detroit News
Most Muslims are moderate, but

Gregg Krupa / The Detroit News

American Muslims are generally moderate and well-assimilated, especially when compared to Muslims in Europe and the Middle East. But one finding in a national survey released Tuesday prompted alarm: 26 percent of young Muslims think suicide bombing in defense of Islam can be justified.

Believed to be the nation's first, the random-sample survey of American Muslims by the Pew Research Center documents that incomes, education levels and personal politics among American Muslims are generally in line with non-Muslim Americans.

But the violence supported by some, especially those aged 18-29, prompted an immediate reaction from Muslim leaders in Metro Detroit on Tuesday.

They rejected the notion that suicide bombings are ever justified, and urged each other to address the issue in mosques this week.

Many attribute the finding to higher tolerance for risky behavior among young people and say that youths are more likely to spend time on radical Internet sites that sympathize with suicide bombers.

"Our tradition leaves no place and no justification for suicide bombings," said Imam Mohammed Ali Elahi, the leader of the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights.

"I think that if other Americans read this stuff they'll say, 'Wow, and they are right next door.' " Elahi said. "But I am 17 years in this country and I haven't faced any young individuals who say it is OK in Islam to have a suicide bomb and to support suicide bombings."

The findings have special significance in Metro Detroit, home to an estimated 125,000 to 200,000 Muslims, some of whom were surveyed for this study.

American Muslims' views

American Muslims, the survey showed, reject extremism by greater numbers than Muslims in the Middle East, South Asia or Europe, according to the Pew survey. Fewer than half of American Muslims think of themselves as Muslims first, and Americans second.

"Clearly, this public comes across as much more moderate than much of the Muslim public in most of the world," said Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center. "They are decidedly American in outlook -- 72 percent say hard work can get you ahead in the society, and that is even a larger segment than the general public in the United States."

American Muslim views diverged from the mainstream, however, when questioned about the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Forty percent said they believe Arabs were responsible. The remainder either didn't respond, weren't sure or said they were not responsible.

"I think it is a little like the O.J. Simpson case," said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations-Michigan. "Minority groups are defensive of their own and at times shocked that one of their own would commit heinous crimes."

The survey reveals that most American Muslims are recent arrivals, 54 percent having emigrated since 1980, and more than three-quarters say they are concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism around the world.

A significantly greater number of American Muslims, 61 percent, believe that Israeli and Palestinian rights can co-exist, than in the rest of the world. In many Muslim countries, that belief is shared by only 5 to 26 percent of the populations.

A majority of Muslim Americans, 53 percent, say it has become more difficult to be a Muslim in the United States since the terrorist attacks, and 54 percent believe the government "singles out" Muslims for increased surveillance and monitoring.

The Pew Research Center conducted more than 55,000 interviews to obtain a national sample of 1,050 Muslims living in the United States, including in Metro Detroit. It was not known how many residents of southeast Michigan were polled.

More are hopeful

Indeed, in some respect, American Muslims are more hopeful about the country than all Americans. Thirty-eight percent are satisfied with the "state of the U.S.," as opposed to 32 percent of the general public.

Elahi and some other observers said that the evidence of some support for suicide bombing to defend the faith may be based on the lack of specifics in the question, and the comparatively small size of the sample responding to it.

Sally Howell, a scholar at the University of Michigan who advised Pew on the survey said that 58 of the 1,050 people responding to the survey answered the question on suicide bombings for 18- to 29-year-olds.

"It is a relatively small sample in comparison to the estimated population of Muslims," said Nadia Bazzy, 21, of Canton. "The question did not leave room for specifics and I have trouble jumping to one conclusion or another."

The report also said African-American Muslims, the largest group of "native-born" Muslims in the survey, are generally the most frustrated. Thirty-six percent of African-American Muslims view al-Qaida "very unfavorably," compared to 58 percent of all American Muslims.

"The most disillusioned segment of the Muslim community being African-Americans is not a big surprise," Walid said. "African-Americans have been historically disenfranchised in America and have not enjoyed the degree of economic upward mobility as immigrant Muslims."
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Interesting... Here's another report:

The study found that among the nation's younger Muslims, 26 percent say homicide bombings can at least rarely be justified "in order to defend Islam from its enemies."
At least this is somewhat of a good sign...

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Originally Posted by jvick125
Interesting... Here's another report:


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It's the same study with Fox News' wording. But thanks...

Actually this is nice. You get to see how Fox News spins it a little bit more negatively than my local middle-of-the-road newspaper. Where the Detroit News would say that the majority of American Muslims identify themselves as Americans first and then Muslims, Fox news says "The Pew poll also found that almost half of the nation's Muslims are more likely to identify themselves as Muslims first and then Americans, with 47 percent placing religious affiliation above nationality."

Very interesting.

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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
It's the same study with Fox News' wording. But thanks...
Seeing that there's now 100,000 plus followers of Islam that support Al Queda in the USA......
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
It's the same study with Fox News' wording. But thanks...
Yup. Edited, sorry.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Seeing that there's now 100,000 plus followers of Islam that support Al Queda in the USA......
Actually it's around 165000 Muslims in America that have a favorable view of Al Queda out of 1.5 million adult Muslims in America.
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
Actually it's around 165000 Muslims in America that have a favorable view of Al Queda out of 1.5 million adult Muslims in America.

Wow. That's a huge number.

I'm not surprised by the figures in the article regarding assimilation. Short of vandalism and threats, Muslims have gone unharmed and been left alone in America for the most part. I've heard of worse things happening to ******* neighbors. That all being said, it doesn't make sense to me how so many can have the notion that suicide bombing is okay. Anyone?

I LOVE and HATE getting into the America vs. Muslims argument with my good friend that's engaged to a English-Pakistani Muslim. The only thing that tips-off anyone that she's from that part of Asia is her brown skin. She dresses like a westerner and even has a thick, lovely English accent. The guy is the without question the smarted guy I know regarding politics and international and free speech law (he's a lawyer). But when it comes to fear in the US he's Malcom X. It's really sad to see but I try not to get too upset with him.
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Most muslims anywhere in the world are moderate. It's a pretty small minority that are fundamentalist and believe in the jihad agaisnt the West.
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It is a small minority compared to the size of Islam.
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So what, most KKK members are moderate

What a worthless POS that article is. The KKK is less a risk to long-term national security. I'd feel better with a KKK HQ in my neighborhood than a mosque.
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Originally Posted by Kevin M
Most muslims anywhere in the world are moderate. It's a pretty small minority that are fundamentalist and believe in the jihad agaisnt the West.

BS. None of them would care if the U.S. got nuked off the planet.
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
What a worthless POS that article is. The KKK is less a risk to long-term national security. I'd feel better with a KKK HQ in my neighborhood than a mosque.
And if you were black or Jewish how would that make you feel?
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
BS. None of them would care if the U.S. got nuked off the planet.
You mean like how many of the people like you in this forum seem to think nuking the middle east and Afghanistan is a good solution to the issue?
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You mean like how many of the people like you in this forum seem to think nuking the middle east and Afghanistan is a good solution to the issue?
YES! EXACTLY like that. Heck, we could solve global warming in one shot, too.

It's kinda like how some react in revulsion to the way some muslims make their women dress like casper the friendly ghost. Nobody would care if the slave-master gets sucker-punched and stomped.
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Originally Posted by Kevin M
And if you were black or Jewish how would that make you feel?
Dunno.. my impression of the clan is that it's more a movement of ideas now, not like blowing up school busses or children-filled schools like muslims have done.
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