Are you kidding there is not one excuse to what happened in LA for Bush. He is the President of the UNITED STATES of America. If "red tape" didn't stop him from going into Iraq, "red tape" shouldn't of stopped him from stepping up as our president and doing something about it.


Slow response only when he doesn't care to act. To say he didn't have the full support of all the US had he just said, "****s about to hit the fan in LA, we are bring you guys out of there." and did it. Is total bs. To many illegals is not the countries education woes, it has more to do with what you stated about teachers having no real power. It also has to do with lack of funds, lack of good educated individuals becoming teachers, and other things. Illegals are a problem but not for the whole of the US yet. A lack of a cohesive culture is what makes America great not the other way around. English is pretty much the accepted language in the majority of America. Also what culture would you choose? Since after all America has a lot of different types. Very short sighted of you Hella.

Bush acting like a liberal?! HAHAAHAHAH

 

India has the highest level of PhD. grads in the world. The jobs that are being outsourced are not only telemarketers. This is hardly a good thing regardless. I don't remember the stock market hitting an all-time high but what I do remember is the trade deficit hitting an all-time high. They are not doing anything in the war on terror, in fact they are making things worse. I do not know how you can support wire tapping without knowing WHO they are wire tapping. Since no accountability is to be had by this adminstration concerning this. Having tax cuts and going into two wars is a set up for our nation to get ****ed. The Army is getting shafted by what they are being expected to do in Iraq with the amount of troops in Iraq. Not only that the amount of money they make versus contractors.


Of course he isn't completely to blame but he is to blame for his un-contained spending habbits that make his coke habbits look like a joke. Clinton gave him a surpluss to work with, he killed that in a second. He made a conscious choice to cut taxes and enter two wars. That is far from smart and puts further strain on our system. Go look up how much our intrest payments are now.

But he IS a bad guy. Look at what he has done to this country?! He was supposed to be the great uniter, wow was that wrong. He, like you pointed out, has never admited to making a mistake. If that doesn't scare you at all I don't know what will. Being able to admit you are wrong gives you the ability to learn from the mistakes. He obviously has not learned from his. Saddam was NEVER a threat to us to warrent going into Iraq. You can never make this claim stick its FALSE. Please tell me how he was such a great threat that it warrented us entering Iraq? You can't, its that simple.

This country needs to stand up not calm down. Bush has told the country to **** off and is one of the most secretive administrations ever. He has not been held accountable for any of his actions. Think about this for a second, one guy got a blow job and got impeached for not telling the world about it, while this guy lies his way into a war but thats ok? That is MIND blowing! The Republican party has not taken up any responsibility in checking Bush. They have played lap dog through out his terms. What this country needs is balance and it sorely lacks that right now.

 

But the federal government always has. My point is that the levees have always been considered a problem for every past President and local government during the seventeen category 3+ hurricanes since 1852. There was never a levee system in place that exceeded the capabilities of the one they had pre-Katrina. So just because the levee happened to break during this particular hurricane it's this administrations fault?

The logic doesn’t make any sense to me. Not only should NOLA have been forced into building a levee system capable of withstanding a category 5 storm by past feds, but for every category 3+ hurricane that’s happened before Bush there should have been an entourage of resources just outside of NOLA on standby. Hell, this protocol should have went into effect the second a hurricane begins to takes form in the Gulf.

Although Bush is somewhat at fault and should be held accountable to some degree, he shouldn’t be the scapegoat for the federal government’s constant inability to address this problem. This is what you guys are doing.

 

I disagree, because levees get worse with age. In the past the levees were predicted to (and did) hold. THIS time, the experts said watch out because the cement and rebar are old and this storm will be huge and violent.

I see your point, that other admins could have forced the building of better levees, but the levees that were there weren't expired yet.

Also, the last hurricane that was predicted to be as severe as Katrina was happened in 1969, when the levees where probably new...or at least much newer.

The NWS has pages of warnings they sent out about how this storm would be bigger and badder with huge waves a storm surge compared to anything in the 1900s...they knew it was going to be way way bigger and more damaging than Andrew and the other recent 'big' hurricanes.


And for the last time, I'm not blaming Bush for the hurricane or even the response to it...I'm blaming him for flat out LYING about what they knew and didn't know.

 

So the aging happened over night? Given this logic we should evacuate SF and L.A. just incase a 10.0 quake hits. Although some buildings may be capable of withstanding such sock (i'm not an engineer), surely most buildings cannot. Why stop there? Let's evacuate any town that's within driving distance from a major volcano. And what about the super volcano under Yellowstone? Let's just evacuate every central US state just in case. Be careful not to evacuate them to NOLA, though! Nothing can be remotely capable of withstanding volcanic force let alone super volcanic activity.

At what point does the blaming domino effect stop? In your case it's with a President you didn't vote for. How convenient. Again, I’m not saying Bush isn’t remotely responsible but give me an f’ing break!

 

God DAMNED Salty, I don't give a f***. YOU led this discussion back into the blame game crap. The thread is about LIES and misdirection.


And your hyperbolous examples are pretty comical. IF we knew that a 10.0 was going to hit LA, it WOULD be evacuated. IF we were certain that Yellowstone was gonna blow, there WOULD be people moved out of its way.

The aging didn't happen overnight...it happened over the 37 years since the last storm that was a fierce as Katrina.

Like I said in my FIRST post, and like I've said a couple times since, I already know the blaming crap is a dead horse...that's why I'm confused that you still keep harping on it. I am pointing out how the President LIES when he's faced with a tough situation.