More evidence out on Bush sketchy military record
09-09-2004, 10:20 AM
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More evidence out on Bush's sketchy military record
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...national_guard
Basically says that he purposely skipped a physical so that he could be transferred to Alabama to work on the campaign of a family friend.
What Bravery!
p.s. The actual memo is available here: http://wid.ap.org/documents/bush/040908xfer.pdf
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...national_guard
Basically says that he purposely skipped a physical so that he could be transferred to Alabama to work on the campaign of a family friend.
What Bravery!
A memo dated May 19, 1972, five days after Bush was supposed to have completed his physical, summarizes a telephone discussion with Bush about how he "can get out of coming to drill from now through November."
The same memo notes that Bush was trying to transfer to non-flying status out of state and recommends that the Texas unit fill his flying slot "with a more seasoned pilot from the list of qualified Vietnam pilots that have rotated."
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09-09-2004, 10:58 AM
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Yeah it's not good for bush to skip out, but in my opinion this not as bad as Kerry's service records with the war crimes(accusations), and other things that happend and his reaction when he came back, throwing out his ribbons, and talking against his fellow troops.
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09-09-2004, 11:40 AM
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Kerry... War Crimes??? Care to elaborate?
That's a great article svxr8dr. Filled with diversionary tactics and facts about Bush completing the minimum requirements. It simply excuses Bush because he almost completed his commitment to national security.
I implore everyone who views this thread to read the actual memos posted above and make up your own mind.
That's a great article svxr8dr. Filled with diversionary tactics and facts about Bush completing the minimum requirements. It simply excuses Bush because he almost completed his commitment to national security.
I implore everyone who views this thread to read the actual memos posted above and make up your own mind.
09-09-2004, 11:53 AM
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Chimpler got an honorable discharge and LeKerrie got a Silver Star and multiple Purple Hearts. You don't get any of those things if you screw up seriously. They both did their duty. Even if they had FUBARed, they were both extremely junior officers. I don't want to denigrate LTs, but my dad was one, and it has about as much to do with being President as does any other non-political occupation. As far as I am concerned that is the end of it. The fact that this crap gets any media coverage at all just shows what a joke the two party system is. They don't have any substantive issues to argue about, so they fill time with crap like this. It's like WWF wrestlers shouting into the microphone before a match.
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09-09-2004, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyAB
Kerry... War Crimes??? Care to elaborate?
That's a great article svxr8dr. Filled with diversionary tactics and facts about Bush completing the minimum requirements. It simply excuses Bush because he almost completed his commitment to national security.
I implore everyone who views this thread to read the actual memos posted above and make up your own mind.
That's a great article svxr8dr. Filled with diversionary tactics and facts about Bush completing the minimum requirements. It simply excuses Bush because he almost completed his commitment to national security.
I implore everyone who views this thread to read the actual memos posted above and make up your own mind.
09-09-2004, 12:06 PM
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no kidding.
meanwhile, we have real issues that get no play. where are the proposals for leading our country out of the funk we are currently in? isnt that the primary job of the leader of our nation???
meanwhile, we have real issues that get no play. where are the proposals for leading our country out of the funk we are currently in? isnt that the primary job of the leader of our nation???
09-09-2004, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by esracer
warcrimes: his accusations of the warcrimes his fellow soldiers did and basically made it seem like everyone else was doing it except him, it's an interview or something that he was involved in 1971 or whatever
09-09-2004, 12:17 PM
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I think Kerry has been forced (by the polls) to stoop to Bush's level. Kerry has been talking about the issues for a while, e.g. health care, education, foreign policy, and he's been taking a beating in the polls. The DNC was, for the most part, a positive, issue-focused, bring America back together jamboree. But, NO BOUNCE. The average U.S. citizen who gets polled (don't know who these people are b/c I've never been polled) doesn't respond to that.
The Bush camp, however has been constantly attacking, directly and indirectly, Kerry on his war record and his "flip-flopping". They've avoided the actual issues like the plague and it doesn't look like the plan on changing their ways any time soon. And you know what? It's worked. Bush has built a slight lead in the polls. Take them for what they're worth.
Sorry for the tangential outburst.
The Bush camp, however has been constantly attacking, directly and indirectly, Kerry on his war record and his "flip-flopping". They've avoided the actual issues like the plague and it doesn't look like the plan on changing their ways any time soon. And you know what? It's worked. Bush has built a slight lead in the polls. Take them for what they're worth.
Sorry for the tangential outburst.
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Originally Posted by MonkeyAB
Kerry... War Crimes??? Care to elaborate?
Scroll down about 1/2 to 2/3 down.
"Well, I have often talked about this subject. I personally didn't see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that. However, I did take part in free fire zones and I did take part in harassment interdiction fire. I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these, I find out later on, these acts are contrary to the Hague and Geneva Conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the applications of the Nuremberg principles, is in fact guilty."
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09-09-2004, 03:33 PM
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News about the memos
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics...20040909d.html
See for yourself:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf
Consider it done
Read about an expert (credentials provided) and his opinion here:
http://www.indcjournal.com
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics...20040909d.html
See for yourself:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf
Originally Posted by MonkeyAB
I implore everyone who views this thread to read the actual memos posted above and make up your own mind.
Consider it done
Read about an expert (credentials provided) and his opinion here:
http://www.indcjournal.com
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As far as I am concerned that is the end of it. The fact that this crap gets any media coverage at all just shows what a joke the two party system is. They don't have any substantive issues to argue about, so they fill time with crap like this. It's like WWF wrestlers shouting into the microphone
09-09-2004, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by constellation
Werd. In my opinion this is just filler. There's nothing else to talk about. There are people who grew up smoking weed and doing LSD that could potentially make good presidents, the past is not as good of a gauge of peoples character as they would like to think. The people who never make mistakes do not have the advantage of learning from them.
Military service is not all that important: I served under Officers & NCOs that could not punch their way out of a rice paper bag.
Why can't the candidates tell us exactly what they have to offer, instead of speaking to us in PC code?
09-09-2004, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by svxr8dr
News about the memos
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics...20040909d.html
See for yourself:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf
Consider it done
Read about an expert (credentials provided) and his opinion here:
http://www.indcjournal.com
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics...20040909d.html
See for yourself:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf
Consider it done
Read about an expert (credentials provided) and his opinion here:
http://www.indcjournal.com
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=291
09-09-2004, 06:53 PM
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I cant stand these things!!! Attacking ones personality, and the issues at stakes are alright with me, but to attack someones war reccord is just below the belt IMO. Both sides have done this, and i hate cant stand it. Personally, i dont give a **** if bush didnt show up for military service, and for kerry, i quite honestly do not belive that he did war crimes. None of it matters to me in any way though.
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