You didn't read what I wrote. I said health INSURANCE should never have become a business-like venture. The doctors should get paid, the insurance companies and their stock holders shouldn't. Countries with federalized health care systems still have high wages for doctors and fierce competition for med school. What I'm saying fits in perfectly with a high competetion system for training doctors. In fact, without the insurance companies leaching money off of the system by being a middle man that doesn't contribute to the actual health care, there would be even more leeway in correctly rewarding and punishing doctors who are good and bad respectively.
And you're simply wrong when you say that we have the best doctors and the best treatments in the world here. 'Very technical' opperations are being done around the world, and I've heard several stories of American's going to France and Germany for specialized surgery.
And why do you assume that all doctors would get paid equally in a federalized system? They don't in any of the various systems around the world. In fact, they are rewarded based on the health of their patients. Seems like a good thing to reward doctors for to me...

 

He's just a pawn, I think socialites with mass resources like the Waltons, and the Rockefellers (many have different last names now, but the $$$ is still there) are the real puppet masters.

 

+1, I concure.

 

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No, you are wrong. Look it up if you'd like, the quality of our doctors in relation to the rest of the world is not even debatable. American doctors have won more Nobel Prizes in their field by far than any other nationality. Issurance becoming a "business like venture" was a rather obvious development. When health insurance became prevalent there weren't any issues. Insurance became and issue when frivilous lawsuits began along with prescription drugs becoming commercialized and the outrageous expenses merchandise suppliers have placed on their goods.

That makes it extremely expensive for insurance providers which in turn drives up their overhead and makes them have to charge more to make a profit. In essense that is where the problem originates, the profit margin.

The government would be much better off regulating the profit margin doctors can make on life and death operations, the costs on prescription drugs, etc...
No doctor should make a million bucks off saving someones life after getting in an accident or having a horrible disease. They need to add some morality to the medical field before anything else.

 

You are TRIPPING. The insurance companies make WAY more than the doctors, especially on life-or-death treatments.

Morality in medicine?! They need morality in INSURANCE and morality in PHARMACUETICALS...the doctors already are there, and have been for a long *** time. You do know that the income of doctors has fallen over the last 25 years right? And that profits from insurance and big pharma have risen throughout their whole existance?


Oh, and here's a private foundation's rankings of a few countries health care systems...

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publ...?doc_id=482678



Can you explain to me how for-profit insurance can provide the highest quality health care? The way I see it, the insurance companies profit more if less treaments are done. The numbe of treatments neede is roughly proportional to the populations, so regardless of what the insurance companies do this won't change. In that system, profits are inversely proportional to treatments given. Where is there room for better/more treatments AND higher profits?

 

Just a few posts ago you *****ed because I "didn't read any of what you wrote". Hi pot, meet kettle. You did the exact same. Nowhere in any of my posts do I condone or even support insurance companies. Expecting an insurance company to make less than a doctor is asinine.

Which is exactly why I stated clearly that there needs to be a ceiling on what can be charged. If Bush can inact legislation that limits the legal scope a patient can take on a health administrator why have we not passed a bill like this yet?

Pretty much what I said


Clearly America doesn't have the best health care system. Isn't that what we're discussing? Again, read my post, I was talking about the quality of our doctors.

No, I can not because it can't. Never did I say that it did nor will I ever.

So you mean the less healthcare they give the less they spend on......healthcare...........WOW..........great observation. What you're writing here is the exact same thing I said when I wrote.........


In essense that is where the problem originates, the profit margin.

 

Isn't the VA clinics administrative cost 3%?

 

Curious how many doctors you know? My friends and I where discussing this a week ago or so. One of them is about to graduate with his PhD/MD. (Something like 12 years of post high school education which doesn't include his specialization which adds another 4 or 6 years to that.) Out of all my "doctor" friends he is the one most likely to make the most money. We are talking easily a million dollar salary in a couple of years. Guess what? He rather that the US system became more like England, where he would make substantially LESS money. Since after all socialized system would drop the salary of specialist like him.

Every single one of my friends that is a doctor did not go into it for the money. They did it for the job security sure, but their biggest drive was the ability to help someone out.

 

P.S. A healthy America benefits EVERYONE.