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Old May 22, 2009 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
The dollars in which it costs to provide information packets, materials, translators, ballots, etc would have to be a significant amount.
You might as well be shooting in the dark without a clear understanding of what you are voting on. It's hard enough to get people who are literate and speak English to understand what they are voting for.
That's an inherent problem with any voting system. I'm sure our own congressmen and senators don't fully understand what they are voting on half the time.

I do concede that English should be the primary language for voting since it's the common language. However, I'm not convinced that it is in fact "constitutional" to make it it the required language for the voting process. I don't believe that assimilation to our common language should be required by everyone who chooses to participate in the voting process. If someone wants to be an American citizen without speaking the language yet would like to actively participate in the political system, I feel this should be their right.

I don't think it's cut and dry, but I think the focus should be on personal freedoms and not the state's voting expense budget.
Old May 22, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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Old May 22, 2009 | 04:35 PM
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do u speak anything besides english?
Who me? No, why? Does that give me the right to tell what language other have to speak?
Old May 22, 2009 | 04:49 PM
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Old May 25, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
And why are the ****ing ballots still printed in any other language than English!
That's a huge waste of money as well as being unconstitutional.
Interesting. Mind sharing which constitutional amendment covers that?
Old May 25, 2009 | 10:33 AM
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german would be our language if we decided on one at teh end of the revol war
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Old May 26, 2009 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Interesting. Mind sharing which constitutional amendment covers that?
Article 3, section 6
SEC. 6. (a) Purpose.
English is the common language of the people of the United States
of America and the State of California. This section is intended to
preserve, protect and strengthen the English language, and not to
supersede any of the rights guaranteed to the people by this
Constitution.
(b) English as the Official Language of California.
English is the official language of the State of California.

(c) Enforcement.
The Legislature shall enforce this section by appropriate
legislation. The Legislature and officials of the State of
California shall take all steps necessary to insure that the role of
English as the common language of the State of California is
preserved and enhanced. The Legislature shall make no law which
diminishes or ignores the role of English as the common language of
the State of California.
(d) Personal Right of Action and Jurisdiction of Courts.
Any person who is a resident of or doing business in the State of
California shall have standing to sue the State of California to
enforce this section, and the Courts of record of the State of
California shall have jurisdiction to hear cases brought to enforce
this section. The Legislature may provide reasonable and appropriate
limitations on the time and manner of suits brought under this
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Old May 26, 2009 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Article 3, section 6




And the turkey should be our national bird!
So we've established that English is the official language, which is great for the court system and public office, but voting ballots?

You're streeeeeeeeeeeeetching.
Old May 26, 2009 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Ahhhh you meant the state constitution, gotcha. I'm still not sure why that would make printing things in multiple languages unconstitutional, though. I could see that if we printed ballots in every language except English, hah!

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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
So we've established that English is the official language, which is great for the court system and public office, but voting ballots?

You're streeeeeeeeeeeeetching.
Maybe, but unless the ballot is printed in every language, then it must be printed in only English.

My immigrant mother & grandparents didn't have the "luxury" of having a ballot printed in Viennese, and yet they still figured out how to correctly vote.

They learned English.
Old May 26, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Maybe, but unless the ballot is printed in every language, then it must be printed in only English.

My immigrant mother & grandparents didn't have the "luxury" of having a ballot printed in Viennese, and yet they still figured out how to correctly vote.

They learned English.
I don't understand why this has to be an absolute. Ultimately, the multiple language ballots promote more voting. Can't get much more American than to participate in your local representative democracy.

What's the goal, encouraging more voters, or hoping more people assimilate to our common language because it makes us more comfortable and immigrants should not be allowed any luxuries not offered 60 years ago?
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Old May 26, 2009 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Maybe, but unless the ballot is printed in every language, then it must be printed in only English.

My immigrant mother & grandparents didn't have the "luxury" of having a ballot printed in Viennese, and yet they still figured out how to correctly vote.

They learned English.
haha "Viennese." C'mon Paul, it's Deutsch.
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don't you need to be a US citizen to vote?

when you become a US citizen, do they teach the classes in other languages? Don't you have to learn a bit of english as it is to pass the class and take the pledge?

if you are going to vote in our state, you should at least be able to speak and understand enough of the language that is official for the state?
Old May 26, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Superglue WRX
I don't understand why this has to be an absolute. Ultimately, the multiple language ballots promote more voting. Can't get much more American than to participate in your local representative democracy.

What's the goal, encouraging more voters, or hoping more people assimilate to our common language because it makes us more comfortable and immigrants should not be allowed any luxuries not offered 60 years ago?
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don't you need to be a US citizen to vote?

when you become a US citizen, do they teach the classes in other languages? Don't you have to learn a bit of english as it is to pass the class and take the pledge?

if you are going to vote in our state, you should at least be able to speak and understand enough of the language that is official for the state?
General Naturalization Requirements

Applicants for naturalization must be able to read, write, speak, and understand words in ordinary usage in the English language. Applicants exempt from this requirement are those who on the date of filing:
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haha "Viennese." C'mon Paul, it's Deutsch.
It may not be a huge difference to you, but please try to be more seeeeensitive to those to whom it matters.



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