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Old 07-16-2009, 10:16 AM
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Does anyone know the number of the bill? The AP article doesn't seem to list it.
This is the best I can come up with.
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Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Washington does not have the constitutional or moral authority to outlaw private markets in which parties voluntarily participate. It shouldn't be killing business opportunities, or limiting choices, or legislating major changes in Americans' lives.

When insurance companies will only cover 28 days of my insulin, because another vial would put them over the 31 days they will cover, leaving me 3 days with NO insulin. Something needs to be done.

I AM NOT, NOR IS MY HEALTH, A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
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Is there any reason you can't buy your own insulin when this happens?
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
When insurance companies will only cover 28 days of my insulin, because another vial would put them over the 31 days they will cover, leaving me 3 days with NO insulin. Something needs to be done.

I AM NOT, NOR IS MY HEALTH, A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY
so my taxes should cover the 3 days of insulin your **** insurance company wont cover?


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Step away from the argument for a moment. On either side of the coin, I'm certain all of us agree that the gov. has difficulties performing many tasks. The housing meltdown is a direct result of the gov. meddling in private markets. What's going to happen when the feds miscalculate their budgeting for health care? Go ahead use the euro example. Take into consideration the population differences. Our immigration policy alone will cripple this system. Just as social security has been bled dry, this system will too.
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Is there any reason you can't buy your own insulin when this happens?
You think its $5 down a wal-mart or something? I like how you conveniently missed the point on that one though. I may be able to squeeze out some cash for an extra vial once a month, but then again, I'm not living in poverty. Unfortunately chronic illnesses know no socioeconomic boundaries.

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so my taxes should cover the 3 days of insulin your **** insurance company wont cover?


...right.
No, what I'm saying is to stop saying that the health care system is fine. SOMETHING needs to be done.
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Originally Posted by irrational x
so my taxes should cover the 3 days of insulin your **** insurance company wont cover?


...right.
That's not the right attitude either. Matt 90% of your insulin supply is covered under insurance. 90%... 10% is a freakin' co-pay!!! Quit buying so much beer and save a shot or two for a rainy day.
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
You think its $5 down a wal-mart or something?
I have no idea how much it costs?
Can you inform us?



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No, what I'm saying is to stop saying that the health care system is fine. SOMETHING needs to be done.
Sometimes, doing something is wrong, as in the case.
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Which type of insulin do you use?
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Originally Posted by iLoqin
This health care is another way to get more power.

Britain, Cuba's socialistic health care is horrible. STUPID long lines, horrible service.

I'm talkin about months and months of waiting for small things, and then you and your doctor don't even get to decide what is best. Legislature does. If this health care passes, good luck.
exactly!!!!! i know this too



and what willl happen to walmart?
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Originally Posted by ipozestu
That's not the right attitude either. Matt 90% of your insulin supply is covered under insurance. 90%... 10% is a freakin' co-pay!!! Quit buying so much beer and save a shot or two for a rainy day.
That would require a personal sacrifice, something Socialists are not capable of doing.
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Originally Posted by VRT MBasile
No, what I'm saying is to stop saying that the health care system is fine. SOMETHING needs to be done.
trust me im well versed in the perils of the american insurance system... the question is... how is government intervention going to improve a system that's already a bloated bureaucracy.

that's like ****ing to regain your virginity...
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Nice, gotta go to Canada for affordable insulin. Gee, I wonder why it's affordable up there Not to mention it has to be shipped? Insulin is a protein based hormone that breaks down at room temperature, I wouldn't trust a currier to take proper care of it.

I had problems with my insulin pump earlier in the year. I ran to the pharmacy down the street from work and the only insulin they could sell me was around $95

Liberty Mutual (the "diabetus" guy) touting "affordable diabetes supplies" only carries two types of insulin!
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