Democrats: Health care is a right
07-20-2009, 02:59 PM
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Health care should be a public utility like water water, gas, or electric because just like people can't decide not to drink water, people can't (reasonably) decide not to get medical care when they are dying.
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07-20-2009, 03:01 PM
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07-20-2009, 03:05 PM
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I avoid this forum for good reason, but every now and then I walk into this sinking sandpit we call the "Teh Politics Forum"
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07-20-2009, 03:08 PM
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Don't you think that it's possible that your view of the altruism of government is just a little bit on the naive side? Has history not shown us that those in power will do what they can to not only remain in power, but to gain more of it?
07-20-2009, 03:10 PM
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And for the record, I think this is the best forum on the site. I definitely don't agree with everyone that posts in here, but if I did, it would get boring pretty quickly. Not to mention the fact that encountering people with opposing viewpoints helps keep your own in perspective, and exposes you to growth potential.
07-20-2009, 03:22 PM
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And for the record, I think this is the best forum on the site. I definitely don't agree with everyone that posts in here, but if I did, it would get boring pretty quickly. Not to mention the fact that encountering people with opposing viewpoints helps keep your own in perspective, and exposes you to growth potential.
07-20-2009, 03:50 PM
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Viet Nam.
Going to the moon.
Cap and Trade.
But, since you believe the gov't can "ban" them, which part of the Constitution allows for it?
Verbal sparring matches, when kept civil, are a wonderful method of keeping sharp.
Bravo...these two morons are flat wrong.
07-20-2009, 03:52 PM
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In order for my view to be naive, then you must first establish as fact that the government isn't working in the interest of the people. Otherwise, it isn't naive, its opinion of the role of government being different than yours.
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07-20-2009, 04:04 PM
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Social Security.
Viet Nam.
Going to the moon.
Cap and Trade.
Again, "No it doesn't" is my answer, as I was speaking just about healthcare insurance companies.
But, since you believe the gov't can "ban" them, which part of the Constitution allows for it?
What is good reason?
Verbal sparring matches, when kept civil, are a wonderful method of keeping sharp.
Bravo...these two morons are flat wrong.
Viet Nam.
Going to the moon.
Cap and Trade.
Again, "No it doesn't" is my answer, as I was speaking just about healthcare insurance companies.
But, since you believe the gov't can "ban" them, which part of the Constitution allows for it?
What is good reason?
Verbal sparring matches, when kept civil, are a wonderful method of keeping sharp.
Bravo...these two morons are flat wrong.
07-20-2009, 04:14 PM
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Actually it does:
Article One Section 1 which grants congress the power to make new laws. And then Article V which gives congress the right to amend the constitution itself.
Now show me the part in the Constitution that protects an individual's right to participate in private industries like narcotics, prostitution, and child trafficking.
Article One Section 1 which grants congress the power to make new laws. And then Article V which gives congress the right to amend the constitution itself.
Now show me the part in the Constitution that protects an individual's right to participate in private industries like narcotics, prostitution, and child trafficking.
07-20-2009, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by saqwarrior
Has history not shown us that those in power will do what they can to not only remain in power, but to gain more of it?
When looking at history, it is naive to assume altruism on the part of those in power. Arguing against that point only illustrates an ignorance of the rise and fall of empires.
07-20-2009, 05:30 PM
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Then you have a misunderstanding of the political philosophy of anarchism. It is not "every man for himself." An understandable misconception, considering how anarchists have been slandered and misrepresented through history.
At its most basic level, the Latin root of "anarchy" is "anarchos." Archos means "ruler" and the prefix of "an-" means "without." So literally "anarchos" means "without rulers." All variations of anarchism taken into account, that is the most basic and accurate description of the philosophy.
There are, of course, many different flavors of anarchism: individual anarchism (which is most similar to what you're thinking of), anarcho-socialism (also known as libertarian socialism), anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, U.S. Libertarianism (somewhat paradoxically described as anarcho-capitalism), etc. What ties them all together is the unifying concept of living without someone else running your life or meddling in your affairs -- true "liberty," if you will.
(Historical side note: During the latter part of the 19th century, it was against the law in many European countries to print or discuss anarchism, so they had to come up with an alternate word to use. That word is "Libertarian.")
Oh, and don't confuse "socialism" with "state socialism." As Bakunin once said, "All anarchists are socialist, but not all socialists are anarchist." Anarchist socialism is a system of voluntary regional socialism. You take part and contribute in society because you desire it, not because it is compulsory.
At its most basic level, the Latin root of "anarchy" is "anarchos." Archos means "ruler" and the prefix of "an-" means "without." So literally "anarchos" means "without rulers." All variations of anarchism taken into account, that is the most basic and accurate description of the philosophy.
There are, of course, many different flavors of anarchism: individual anarchism (which is most similar to what you're thinking of), anarcho-socialism (also known as libertarian socialism), anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, U.S. Libertarianism (somewhat paradoxically described as anarcho-capitalism), etc. What ties them all together is the unifying concept of living without someone else running your life or meddling in your affairs -- true "liberty," if you will.
(Historical side note: During the latter part of the 19th century, it was against the law in many European countries to print or discuss anarchism, so they had to come up with an alternate word to use. That word is "Libertarian.")
Oh, and don't confuse "socialism" with "state socialism." As Bakunin once said, "All anarchists are socialist, but not all socialists are anarchist." Anarchist socialism is a system of voluntary regional socialism. You take part and contribute in society because you desire it, not because it is compulsory.