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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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How did you get from what I wrote that I'm not?
I'm still curious about this, Superglue.
Old Jul 19, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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I guess people are misunderstanding what todays market is... EVERYONE IS ENSLAVED by the idea of making money. Unfortunately, that's how brilliant the people on top are.

If we don't get rid of the fed, we all end up in slavery either way.

Slavery when black people were slaves was good (speaking about the guys on top), but that still required work. Slavery by themselves with people so consumed by money, now that is brilliant. That requires no work from the people on top.
Old Jul 19, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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I'm still curious about this, Superglue.
Your sense of community. That involves some volume of selflessness and social organization which would go against the idea of basic anarchy. A community of people sharing a common goal does not sound like anarchy.
Old Jul 19, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by iLoqin
I guess people are misunderstanding what todays market is... EVERYONE IS ENSLAVED by the idea of making money. Unfortunately, that's how brilliant the people on top are.

If we don't get rid of the fed, we all end up in slavery either way.

Slavery when black people were slaves was good (speaking about the guys on top), but that still required work. Slavery by themselves with people so consumed by money, now that is brilliant. That requires no work from the people on top.
Financial slavery is an illusion. It's only real if you want it to be. I could give up all my possessions and go live in solidarity somewhere else if I had the cojones. But I don't, so I will continue to trade my skills/services for green paper to ensure I have a roof over my head and food in my belly.

It's all very much a choice, no one has put a gun to my head suggesting that I either work or die.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 05:29 AM
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Health Care should be right in the 21st century and health care should be ran like as "non profit" rather than "for profit".

I'll write more on this topic later.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 07:13 AM
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Me First = The American Dream
Then World War II was total BS, we should have let the Germans have Europe, we had no beef with them. Then civil rights is BS, cause keeping minorities down give more opportunities to the majority. Why the heck did all those white people stick their necks out for minorities. Heck, screw workers rights too, employers should be able to look out for their profits first, lets go back to the days of the industrial revolution and child labor.

People will act in their own self interest anyways. The government is there to act for the greater good. When individual parties act in their own self interest, the outcome is not necessarily the most efficient for the society overall.

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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
You still don't get that you already pay for other people's bull****?

In terms of being a society, I personally believe we have a vested interest in the overall well being of the general population in this country. That "me-first-screw-other-people" kind of attitude didn't make this country great.
Sorry homie, it's you that does not get it.

I get it...up the *** no less...that I currently pay for other people's f'ed lifestyle.

I don't want to pay anymore.
Have yo read the bill?

People like me will pay for another scheme that we will not get to use.
The bill's language, from what I can tell, dictates that I will have to pay for gov't healthcare and if I elect to keep my current private insurance, will have to pay an 8% penalty.

Buuuut, my family makes "too much" money to qualify for the scheme:

ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.—To be eligible to par4
ticipate in a Right Choices program under this section,
an individual shall—
(1) be a citizen or national of the United States
or an alien lawfully admitted to the United States
for permanent residence or otherwise residing in the
United States under color of law;

(2) not be covered under any health insurance
coverage during the 6-month period immediately
preceding the date of the determination of eligibility;

(3) have a family income that does not exceed
350 percent of the Federal poverty level for a family
of the size involved; and


16 (4) not be eligible for health care benefits pro17
vided through Medicare, Medicaid, the State Chil18
dren’s Health Insurance Program, the armed serv19
ices, or the Department of Veterans Affairs.
So what does this mean?

I'm stuck in a Catch-22 situation and that's more than wrong.
It's illegal.

Now do you get it?
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Then World War II was total BS, we should have let the Germans have Europe, we had no beef with them. Then civil rights is BS, cause keeping minorities down give more opportunities to the majority. Why the heck did all those white people stick their necks out for minorities. Heck, screw workers rights too, employers should be able to look out for their profits first, lets go back to the days of the industrial revolution and child labor.

People will act in their own self interest anyways. The government is there to act for the greater good. When individual parties act in their own self interest, the outcome is not necessarily the most efficient for the society overall.
Do you truly believe this statement?
Using your WWII example, explain how the US gov't acted in the greater good's interest.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 11:50 AM
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Your sense of community. That involves some volume of selflessness and social organization which would go against the idea of basic anarchy. A community of people sharing a common goal does not sound like anarchy.
Then you have a misunderstanding of the political philosophy of anarchism. It is not "every man for himself." An understandable misconception, considering how anarchists have been slandered and misrepresented through history.

At its most basic level, the Latin root of "anarchy" is "anarchos." Archos means "ruler" and the prefix of "an-" means "without." So literally "anarchos" means "without rulers." All variations of anarchism taken into account, that is the most basic and accurate description of the philosophy.

There are, of course, many different flavors of anarchism: individual anarchism (which is most similar to what you're thinking of), anarcho-socialism (also known as libertarian socialism), anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, U.S. Libertarianism (somewhat paradoxically described as anarcho-capitalism), etc. What ties them all together is the unifying concept of living without someone else running your life or meddling in your affairs -- true "liberty," if you will.

(Historical side note: During the latter part of the 19th century, it was against the law in many European countries to print or discuss anarchism, so they had to come up with an alternate word to use. That word is "Libertarian.")

Oh, and don't confuse "socialism" with "state socialism." As Bakunin once said, "All anarchists are socialist, but not all socialists are anarchist." Anarchist socialism is a system of voluntary regional socialism. You take part and contribute in society because you desire it, not because it is compulsory.

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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 12:18 PM
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Please tell me that you did not take Latin classes...'cause that would seal the deal that we're brothers.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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Please tell me that you did not take Latin classes...'cause that would seal the deal that we're brothers.
i did... but im not your brother...





























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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Please tell me that you did not take Latin classes...'cause that would seal the deal that we're brothers.
I plead the Fifth.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 02:10 PM
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I plead the Fifth.
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Do you truly believe this statement?
Using your WWII example, explain how the US gov't acted in the greater good's interest.
Please explain to me how the US government acts against the interest of the American people?
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Please explain to me how the US government acts against the interest of the American people?
seen the deficit lately?



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