Just a little number called the 13th amendment;

Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


WW2 did a wonderful job of disabling the German WAR infrastructure, and stopping the advance of the WAR the Germans, Italians and Japanese were waging against the rest of civilization.

In point of fact however- Fascism- the ideology of racial supremacy and corporate domination of domestic affairs that was the philosphical and structural basis of Germany's aggression, was not "ended" only went slightly underground to re-surface here in the USA under the guise of "neo-conservatism" where now "jews" have been replaced by "islamic fundamentalists", and- irony of ironies- in Israel where the Palestinians get to serve in the role of "savages responsible for all evil"


This might be a first- Oaf and I actually finding common ground?!?

 

War most certainly did get rid of those things. The civil war, despite some revisionist wannabe's claims, definitely came to be over slavery. And without it, it would've persisted in the Southern states. Laws can't be enforced on unwilling parties without force.

You shouldn't insult victims of the **** regime by pretending that this is anything like it. That's just rude. Go take a look at some photos of concentration camps, and then tell me with a straight face that your political gripes even come close to comparison.

War most certainly did end communism. The Afghan war was the end of the Soviet world power status. It was a cascade downward in huge part due to that war.

 

Slavery was one of the issues leading to the seccessionist movement that was the root cause of our civil war, but it was the seccession of the southern states that was the reason for the war and the only thing settled by the war.

You might also have a point if slavery were ever ended, but it wasn't, it was only made illegal to impose on non-criminals in the US.


Slavery continues to exist to this day in many countries around the world, in fact our protections only extend until you are "convicted of a crime" at which point you too, can legally become a slave in the USA.

The civil war did end the seccationist movement along with the lives of millions of Americas young men in the prime of their lives, because at least back then they did a decent job of keeping the battle on the battlefield- Sherman's march and a few other noteworthy examples showing a new tendency towards terror against civilians as an accepted tactic in warfare.

I'll grant you that we haven't got that far yet, but the underlying philosophies and attitudes are fundamentally based on parallel ideologies, read up on PNAC's ambitions for world control and compare them to Mein Kompf, even a skeptic like you will be stunned at the similarities

We aren't yet doing wholesale extermination of people within our borders, but take a look at photos from Abu Grahib and Guantanamo and tell me we aren't headed there in a hurry if we don't change course. Did I see that one of the guards taking the fall for Abu Grahib is getting off with no prison time? That's justice for ya!

The Soviet Union collapsed on account of internal conflicts and corruption, much as I expect the US will in the next 8-10 years.
And if you think Russia isn't a world power anymore, you need to get out more often, they still have enough nukes to play hardball with anybody that might want to take a shot at them.

Maoism still runs China, despite the veins of rampant capitalism that are corrupting their government, and corruption is rampant throughout most of the countries that made up the Soviet Union, but I bet they'll all be teaming up against us in a few years if we don't change course.


War ends lives, ending lives ends a lot of things, doesn't make any of it right.

 

I just looked at the photos again. And I'll tell you again: Not even remotely close to the *****. Not a chance. Not in any scenario whatsoever. I think you need to take a look at those holocaust photos again.

Civil war: Why did the states secede? Oh that's right...they didn't want to obey the law on Slavery. Slavery was ended. Even criminals CANNOT be slaves in the U.S. You're reading syncopation's website if you believe that.

Russia: Yeah, you curiously don't address Afghanistan. What do you think ate up Russias resources and national pride between 80 and 89, exactly the period preceeding the fall?

War ends lives, and of course that's bad. But sometimes you've got to stand up for principle and enforce law. That's right.

 

Not to be too O.T. but I've been to the concentration camps in Germany and death camps in Poland and I recommend them to anyone. The pits, furnaces, convenient electrical wires and clean white tile operating tables with numerous drainage spouts is enough to make a grown man to fall to their knees. My Grandma was a victim of a German V2 bomb and was a witness to what happened in Europe as a little girl. I think the fact she voted for Bush speaks volumes...

 

No, actually I'm reading Section 1 of the 13th ammendment to the US constitution;

 

I also know a woman who had a husband who was in the camps. He had the number still tattoed on his arm. She lived in Poland as a little girl when the germans invaded. She know's what it's like to be invaded and proudly voted for Kerry. So yes volumes have been spoken by both.

 

That's irrelevant. Slavery is not a prescribed punishment for any federal or state crime. The only point of the provision practically speaking is that prisoners can be forced to do things while in prison, ordered to do community service, etc.

 

Like work without compensation,


or in other words,



be a slave, and it's legal.



My only point from all this is that slavery has not been eliminated, only more tightly regulated, but like it is with so many other facts in the world, you just don't get it.

 

The majority of jews voted for Kerry. And I also have been to the concentration camps, that moved the crap out of me at a young age.

 

So...why didn't we leave Sadaam Hussein in power there? Seems like he kept order pretty damn well in his country without our intervention.

 

The Civil War, as several of my teachers have told me since I got out of grade school, was started and ended because the South had (still has a legacy of to this day) such a poor economy. The only people that survived in the South financially were plantation owners, as there were no formal banks in the South. Consequently, poor white people had little way of making money outside of a plantation, as rich whites were land owners that had the land worked by black slaves. The North tried to end slavery which meant that the Southern economy, supported by slavery, would crumble and the rich white folks would lose their wealth and income. Therefore, the South succeeded to protect their economical heritage of slavery and hold on to their wealth (at least the rich whites). It's funny that the men who fought in the civil war for the south were mostly poor white folks...funny in that they were fighting to keep themselves poor.

In writing this, I see a parallel between the Southern Civil War agenda and the current Republican agenda. Keep the money close to your person, make sure poor people do all the work for you and stay poor, and fight anyone who opposes your way of life however twisted it is.

 

Haha, so a sentence of community service for drunk driving, say, qualifies as Slavery?! I see absolutely no relationship between the two concepts...the fact that both are enforced doesn't mean they're the same. Slavery isn't "anything you're forced to do." It's "everything you do is forced by someone else, because you are property, not a person."

This is just like your point on the holocaust.