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So you just endorse his view point?
Jesus Christ....you can't be that dense.
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To me, there are too many examples to the contrary.
Why is (most of) Africa a failure?
Why is it that black ran Zimbabwe is on the brink of famine after years of white rule, where there was plenty of food?
Is it wrong/racist to suppose the idea that just maybe Africans are destined for extinction?
If given enough time, would Native Americans have ever created a space agency?
If given enough time, would Native South Americans have ever invented the silicon chip?
If given enough time, would the Native Australians developed the internal combustion engine?
If given enough time, will the male natives of Papau New Guinea ever stop wearing gourds on their *****?
Unfortunately, we'll never know the answers.
But history has left us evidence that at one point in human evolution, there were several parallel hominoids on the planet.
How/Why did Homo Sapien win the race over the stronger Neanderthal?
It certainly had nothing to do with equal opportunity.
Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Jury's out on that one.To me, there are too many examples to the contrary.
Why is (most of) Africa a failure?
Why is it that black ran Zimbabwe is on the brink of famine after years of white rule, where there was plenty of food?
Is it wrong/racist to suppose the idea that just maybe Africans are destined for extinction?
If given enough time, would Native Americans have ever created a space agency?
If given enough time, would Native South Americans have ever invented the silicon chip?
If given enough time, would the Native Australians developed the internal combustion engine?
If given enough time, will the male natives of Papau New Guinea ever stop wearing gourds on their *****?
Unfortunately, we'll never know the answers.
But history has left us evidence that at one point in human evolution, there were several parallel hominoids on the planet.
How/Why did Homo Sapien win the race over the stronger Neanderthal?
It certainly had nothing to do with equal opportunity.
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I'm sure that the head hunters of New Guinea think that their culture/people are the most advanced.
Most parts of Africa have lived under/with Western values for at least 200 yrs.
Obviously, White Europeans had a racist bias against the local Africans; slavery comes to mind.
But I can't explain how once the whites are kicked out of country, removed from the leading class, kicked off of farms, and how the country almost reverts right back to where it was 200 yrs ago.
Can you?
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I'm just using Western Culture as the benchmark for "advanced" societies/people and fully admit that some of our pratices are shortsighted than those practiced by simpler societies/cultures.I'm sure that the head hunters of New Guinea think that their culture/people are the most advanced.
Most parts of Africa have lived under/with Western values for at least 200 yrs.
Obviously, White Europeans had a racist bias against the local Africans; slavery comes to mind.
But I can't explain how once the whites are kicked out of country, removed from the leading class, kicked off of farms, and how the country almost reverts right back to where it was 200 yrs ago.
Can you?
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Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
Jesus Christ....you can't be that dense.
Maybe you should read back what you wrote? If thats not endorsing him then I don't know what is? You actually believe its possible.
I'll say it one more time:
Having a discussion about race does not make one a racist.
Having a discussion about race does not make one a racist.
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Maybe you should read back what you wrote? If thats not endorsing him then I don't know what is? You actually believe its possible.
I don't see how it's entirely impossible. Throughout our lives we're taught that that anything is possible. We know differences exist in everything imaginable. And we know that differences exist in plain sight with race, socially, and regarding illnesses. There's a commercial on the air now that says heart disease is more likely to happen with blacks. Is that racist?
But there's zero chance of difference beyond those? Seems almost like an Atheist-like stance to me. Very naive. I'm not saying I want to believe or that the idea is even probable, but it shouldn't be entirely discredited considering it's hard to prove/disprove and given our current knowledge of the brain. We still have a lot to learn, don't we?
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Having a discussion about race does not make one a racist.
The topic of discussion is racist. You are arguing that another race is stupid based on skin color, is just that racist. What the hell don't you get about that? Originally Posted by Paul@dbtuned
I'll say it one more time:Having a discussion about race does not make one a racist.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
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There is a huge difference between the two. HUGE. Plus not a single study of the human mind has ever found a significant difference between races. Might want to read up on genetic disorders before you enter this topic. A good comparison would be me telling you how to shoot and take care of a gun properly. While I have a rudimentary understanding on how to do those two things, I really have no clue.Originally Posted by Salty
I don't see how it's entirely impossible. Throughout our lives we're taught that that anything is possible. We know differences exist in everything imaginable. And we know that differences exist in plain sight with race, socially, and regarding illnesses. There's a commercial on the air now that says heart disease is more likely to happen with blacks. Is that racist?
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Let me put this bluntly. If there ever was a difference found, which I highly doubt, it would fail the t-test; there would be no significant difference between races. In other words no way in hell that this topic of discussion is even worth discussing. I have taken a few Neurology classes, and not once have I ever read anything about a lower neuron count between races. If anything social factors have been the key points of difference between races. Originally Posted by Salty
But there's zero chance of difference beyond those? Seems almost like an Atheist-like stance to me. Very naive. I'm not saying I want to believe or that the idea is even probable, but it shouldn't be entirely discredited considering it's hard to prove/disprove and given our current knowledge of the brain. We still have a lot to learn, don't we?
Funny that you can say that about Atheist since people who believe in God are in the same boat. Since there is no real proof that God exists.
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RELAX. I just forgot to mention them.Originally Posted by Unregistered
Funny that you can say that about Atheist since people who believe in God are in the same boat. Since there is no real proof that God exists.
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I'm not mad I just found it funny. Especially because I believe in God. Originally Posted by Salty
RELAX. I just forgot to mention them.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
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Thought this was interesting. Posted in today's school paper.
Study: Pessimism rises toward racial progress
Study: Pessimism rises toward racial progress
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For black Americans, the racial tensions arising from situations such as the Jena 6 may outweigh the advancements symbolized by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, a new study suggests.
Blacks are more pessimistic about racial progress than they were five years ago, according to a Pew Research Center survey released earlier this month.
Twenty percent of blacks said "things are better for blacks now than they were five years ago." Down 13 percentage points from a 1986 poll, 44 percent said they predicted their situation to improve in the future.
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The study also found that almost 40 percent of blacks felt that, because of the widening values divide between poor and middle-class blacks, it was no longer possible to only view blacks as a single race.
The survey's respondents were asked to choose between two statements. The statements were: "Blacks today can no longer be thought of as a single race because the black community is so diverse" and "Blacks can still be thought of as a single race because they have so much in common."
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"There is a sense among the black community that black progress in America has stalled," Keeter also said. "But the nature of news is that it doesn't focus on things that are going well."
For black Americans, the racial tensions arising from situations such as the Jena 6 may outweigh the advancements symbolized by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, a new study suggests.
Blacks are more pessimistic about racial progress than they were five years ago, according to a Pew Research Center survey released earlier this month.
Twenty percent of blacks said "things are better for blacks now than they were five years ago." Down 13 percentage points from a 1986 poll, 44 percent said they predicted their situation to improve in the future.
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The study also found that almost 40 percent of blacks felt that, because of the widening values divide between poor and middle-class blacks, it was no longer possible to only view blacks as a single race.
The survey's respondents were asked to choose between two statements. The statements were: "Blacks today can no longer be thought of as a single race because the black community is so diverse" and "Blacks can still be thought of as a single race because they have so much in common."
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"There is a sense among the black community that black progress in America has stalled," Keeter also said. "But the nature of news is that it doesn't focus on things that are going well."