Blacks more dummer than Whites?
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He has the lack of a prejudice, assuming from our societies sports scene that black people are better athletes is the prejudice. That's one of the major points of the paper. What happens in our society is not 'data' because it is inherently skewed.
Also, dogs are different because different breeds are sub-species. Humans that differ in skin color, on the other hand, are not. They're more like comparing a chocolate lab to a black lab...very very smililar, different color.
And with the evolution thing; it has been shown by sevral studies that two people within a 'race' can have less in common genetically than two people of different 'races'. In other words, a white guy and a black guy can be more similar at the genetic level than two black guys or two white guys. This means that evolution is not happening with any correlation to skin color.
Race is a social idea, it has no founding in biology. Because of this, it is not something that can be correlated with inheritable traits other than ones skin color...and even that is misleading, since there are pale groups from Africa and dark groups from northern Europe. If you all realized how genetically similar we all are, you would NOT be saying it's 'ignorant to assume there aren't differences' between races. The fact of the matter is that it's ignorant to believe there is any differences between the groups we call races other than variations in the spectrum of levels of melanin in our skin.
Also, dogs are different because different breeds are sub-species. Humans that differ in skin color, on the other hand, are not. They're more like comparing a chocolate lab to a black lab...very very smililar, different color.
And with the evolution thing; it has been shown by sevral studies that two people within a 'race' can have less in common genetically than two people of different 'races'. In other words, a white guy and a black guy can be more similar at the genetic level than two black guys or two white guys. This means that evolution is not happening with any correlation to skin color.
Race is a social idea, it has no founding in biology. Because of this, it is not something that can be correlated with inheritable traits other than ones skin color...and even that is misleading, since there are pale groups from Africa and dark groups from northern Europe. If you all realized how genetically similar we all are, you would NOT be saying it's 'ignorant to assume there aren't differences' between races. The fact of the matter is that it's ignorant to believe there is any differences between the groups we call races other than variations in the spectrum of levels of melanin in our skin.
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What is a race? A group of people from a continent? I see differences in the way people do things, based on their societal backgrounds. But since 'race' is a social construct, having no basis in biology, I see no differences that are genetic. The genetic data backs this up; there's no difference. Like I said, many many white skinned people are more genetically similar to black skinned people than they are to other groups of white skinned people.
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Jury's out on that one.
To me, there are too many examples to the contrary.
Why is (most of) Africa a failure?
Why is it that black ran Zimbabwe is on the brink of famine after years of white rule, where there was plenty of food?
Is it wrong/racist to suppose the idea that just maybe Africans are destined for extinction?
If given enough time, would Native Americans have ever created a space agency?
If given enough time, would Native South Americans have ever invented the silicon chip?
If given enough time, would the Native Australians developed the internal combustion engine?
If given enough time, will the male natives of Papau New Guinea ever stop wearing gourds on their *****?
Unfortunately, we'll never know the answers.
But history has left us evidence that at one point in human evolution, there were several parallel hominoids on the planet.
How/Why did Homo Sapien win the race over the stronger Neanderthal?
It certainly had nothing to do with equal opportunity.
To me, there are too many examples to the contrary.
Why is (most of) Africa a failure?
Why is it that black ran Zimbabwe is on the brink of famine after years of white rule, where there was plenty of food?
Is it wrong/racist to suppose the idea that just maybe Africans are destined for extinction?
If given enough time, would Native Americans have ever created a space agency?
If given enough time, would Native South Americans have ever invented the silicon chip?
If given enough time, would the Native Australians developed the internal combustion engine?
If given enough time, will the male natives of Papau New Guinea ever stop wearing gourds on their *****?
Unfortunately, we'll never know the answers.
But history has left us evidence that at one point in human evolution, there were several parallel hominoids on the planet.
How/Why did Homo Sapien win the race over the stronger Neanderthal?
It certainly had nothing to do with equal opportunity.
Unfortunately, we'll never know the answers.
But history has left us evidence that at one point in human evolution, there were several parallel hominoids on the planet.
How/Why did Homo Sapien win the race over the stronger Neanderthal?
It certainly had nothing to do with equal opportunity.
But history has left us evidence that at one point in human evolution, there were several parallel hominoids on the planet.
How/Why did Homo Sapien win the race over the stronger Neanderthal?
It certainly had nothing to do with equal opportunity.
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Paul, all of your examples are of groups that haven't lived to the standards of our society today. Those 'qualities' and accomplishments you list have nothing to do with biological success at all. Just because native americans may not have launched a rocket doesn't mean they aren't as smart. In fact, they may have a whole continent with no effects of human pollution that would be ideal for living a lot longer than the situation we find ourselves in. Wouldn't that be smarter? Then the species could last longer. And similarly in Africa. If westerners hadn't come in and used the land for resources (and set up the higherarchy of humans with it), they probably also would have a continent that would hold life a lot better than ours for a lot longer. And if you're talking length of time that humans have been anywhere, they've been there the longest. So what is 'smarter' or more 'intelligent'? Being able to ruin your surroundings for comfort? Or living a more simple life that is more easily sustained?
That's what I've been saying all along. You can't correlate race with intelligence, because race doesn't exist in biology, and intelligence can't be measured objectively.
That's what I've been saying all along. You can't correlate race with intelligence, because race doesn't exist in biology, and intelligence can't be measured objectively.
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Those were two different species. How can you possibly compare the struggle between two different species to the the issue at hand? The fact that a lion can eat a monkey has nothing to do with the fact that two differently colored lions have the same apptitude for hunting.
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Paul, all of your examples are of groups that haven't lived to the standards of our society today. Those 'qualities' and accomplishments you list have nothing to do with biological success at all. Just because native americans may not have launched a rocket doesn't mean they aren't as smart. In fact, they may have a whole continent with no effects of human pollution that would be ideal for living a lot longer than the situation we find ourselves in. Wouldn't that be smarter? Then the species could last longer. And similarly in Africa. If westerners hadn't come in and used the land for resources (and set up the higherarchy of humans with it), they probably also would have a continent that would hold life a lot better than ours for a lot longer. And if you're talking length of time that humans have been anywhere, they've been there the longest. So what is 'smarter' or more 'intelligent'? Being able to ruin your surroundings for comfort? Or living a more simple life that is more easily sustained?
That's what I've been saying all along. You can't correlate race with intelligence, because race doesn't exist in biology, and intelligence can't be measured objectively.
That's what I've been saying all along. You can't correlate race with intelligence, because race doesn't exist in biology, and intelligence can't be measured objectively.
I'm sure that the head hunters of New Guinea think that their culture/people are the most advanced.
Most parts of Africa have lived under/with Western values for at least 200 yrs.
Obviously, White Europeans had a racist bias against the local Africans; slavery comes to mind.
But I can't explain how once the whites are kicked out of country, removed from the leading class, kicked off of farms, and how the country almost reverts right back to where it was 200 yrs ago.
Can you?
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I assume it's due to the drastic shifts in power, just like what happens everywhere after a drastic shift like that.
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It just doesn't make sense that the possibility of difference and superiority cannot exist among races when the first sign of difference is clearly visiblie on the skin. That, and we can accept differences in everything else under the sun. I already stated certain illnesses affect more races than others, some altogether. Isn't that any indication that it goes further perhaps? Do we know everything there is to know about the brain?
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It just doesn't make sense that the possibility of difference and superiority cannot exist among races when the first sign of difference is clearly visiblie on the skin. That, and we can accept differences in everything else under the sun. I already stated certain illnesses affect more races than others, some altogether. Isn't that any indication that it goes further perhaps? Do we know everything there is to know about the brain?
All the diseases that correlate with different groups of people are either simple mutations (so they can pop up quickly and then propegate through a gene line easily), or they are minor differences in predispositions to disease (which are not proven to be genetic, but correlate statistically and could be due to a variety of environmental factors that are differential between two populations). Brain power, and 'superiority' are NOT like these traits. In fact, we don't even know how intelligence works. We do know that it will be controlled by hundreds if not thousands of genes.
The idea that any group of people, delineated by their skin tone and geographic location, is more or less intelligent than another is spurious and wrong.
And please read the thread; race isn't even based on biology, it's based on social labeling. Genetically inheritable traits, by their nature, cannot correlate with socially constructed labels except when assigned.