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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 06:52 AM
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these are typical and understandable responses....however, they are unfounded. anyhow, construction businesses are not going to go under if illegals are stopped from coming into the country.

also remember im not against immigration. im against illegal immigration. just because letting all the felons out of prison would create lower construction costs, doesnt mean we should do it.

and herein lies the problem with the politians. they get these big companies who are lobbying and donating money and these companies want laxer laws. they dont care about the overall good of the country. its all about greed on the companies and power for the politicians.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 06:57 AM
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however, they are unfounded. anyhow, construction businesses are not going to go under if illegals are stopped from coming into the country.
you clearly dont know the first thing about construction. i cant speak for the rest of the country, but the industry in CA would sink without this viable labor pool.

and comparing illegal immigrants to convicted felons aint right. do you ever break laws? smoke pot? drive your Subie too fast? play butt darts with your Army chronies?
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 06:58 AM
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BTW, your little website has a few key spelling errors. Unless you are trying to imitate your hero George W. Bush, I would bust out spellcheck next time you are Dreamweavin'.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 07:06 AM
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yes i know, notice the website is still not finished. as for my "hero", you obviously dont know the first thing about me. i hate gw.

also as they make lower wages they are 10 billion dollars deficit as to costs for the country, and that doesnt even count the fact that most send their money back to mexico. so the construction companies will recover, i can assure you.
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No.

One can assume, however, that you support the absolutely unproven assumption that immigration lowers the wage for non-immigrants?

Or perhaps you simply want the price of fresh produce to tripple.
My friend, applying simple economics to illegals shows us that as supply increases, wages decrease.

As a Socialist, how can you support "living wages" with one breath and state that illegals don't lower wages in another?

Oh, wait, I answered my own question....
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 07:41 AM
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Lets just keep spreading hate, and we will all turn out better in the end! It is not like the illegals are trying to better their condition, and make a better life or anything. They are all god-hating heathens who want to kill whitey and take over our country!


Seriously man, you are simply spreading hate by doing this. Is that REALLY what our country needs right now!?!?


BTW: Illegals work harder than Americans, especally in a farm/ranch enviorment (from personal experiance). Plus, they are generally nicer people than the hicks we normally get.

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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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Honestly, I think we need to ratify the Bracero Program and bring it back into play. We should allow for flexible work plans so that the illegal workforce can be taxed on their income. That would off-set the burden on publich schools, hospitals, etc...

We are ignorant to think we can shuttle all illegal Hispanic workers back to Latin America and be fine. Their positions would not be filled by the same type of solid labor.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Imprezastifan88
Lets just keep spreading hate, and we will all turn out better in the end! It is not like the illegals are trying to better their condition, and make a better life or anything. They are all god-hating heathens who want to kill whitey and take over our country!


Seriously man, you are simply spreading hate by doing this. Is that REALLY what our country needs right now!?!?


BTW: Illegals work harder than Americans, especally in a farm/ranch enviorment (from personal experiance). Plus, they are generally nicer people than the hicks we normally get.
if by spreading hate, you mean, hating criminals, than i guess i do. i suggest allowing a few felons from your local correctional facility to come over to your house and hang out with your wife, while youre at it.

just because they are attempting to make better for themselves, doesnt discount the burden they place on the country. if we allowed every single hard worker who is oppressed and poor into our country, we might as well build a bridge to China.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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Side story:

In the South, people think Im Mexican. There is a tremendous amount of prejudice here against Hispanics, and so Im always getting weird looks, stares, and so on. Not the best feeling
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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what does that have to do with illegal immigration?
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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I happen to live somewhere with a population that is comprised of about 40-50% hispanic, mostly mexican. I have many friends who are mexican american, some of whom are illegal, the issues I, and even some of my mexican friends have with illegal immigration are not that they're trying to make better lives for thier families, it's the fact that I and many others here who aren't fluent in spanish have a really hard time finding decent employment in certain fields(especially medical and financial) because of our "linguistic ignorance"

My wife works for a large bank where she constantly sees people come in every friday to cash thier paychecks having no account, and directly send money to thier family in mexico. Heck the bank my wife works for has an un documented policy of not hiring anyone who isn't bilingual.

My wife has a condition called endimitriosis where we end up in the ER at four o'clock in the morning every couple of months for a shot of demerol or morphine. There have been times where we've sat there for two or three hours before she could be seen because there were people ahead of us with a runny mose or a stomach ache. Do you think these people pay a premium or a co-pay? The joys of free health care.

Lets remember the keyword here folks: illegal immigration. If you pardon one group of immigrants (mexicans) you have to do it for everyone.

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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 05:27 PM
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furthermore, i think you (people here supporting illegals) are also being very niave. you actually think that those farms will go under, that prices will go up? no, that is a simple way and stupid way of looking at it.

i can bet a paycheck that when a company commits a felony and hires illegal aliens and pays them less than minimum or subpar wages, those extra dollars are not going towards people in this country getting better products or cheaper products.

the price stays the same, and those big corporations, farms, construction companies, etc, pocket the difference. all it does is go to their profit margins. i bet prices would barely go up at all if any if they were gone.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
I happen to live somewhere with a population that is comprised of about 40-50% hispanic, mostly mexican. I have many friends who are mexican american, some of whom are illegal, the issues I, and even some of my mexican friends have with illegal immigration are not that they're trying to make better lives for thier families, it's the fact that I and many others here who aren't fluent in spanish have a really hard time finding decent employment in certain fields(especially medical and financial) because of our "linguistic ignorance"

My wife works for a large bank where she constantly sees people come in every friday to cash thier paychecks having no account, and directly send money to thier family in mexico. Heck the bank my wife works for has an un documented policy of not hiring anyone who isn't bilingual.

My wife has a condition called endimitriosis where we end up in the ER at four o'clock in the morning every couple of months for a shot of demerol or morphine. There have been times where we've sat there for two or three hours before she could be seen because there were people ahead of us with a runny mose or a stomach ache. Do you think these people pay a premium or a co-pay? The joys of free health care.

Lets remember the keyword here folks: illegal immigration. If you pardon one group of immigrants (mexicans) you have to do it for everyone.
For the supporters of ILLEGALS, do some research on ugent care facilities and hospitals that have closed in the last 12 years in socal, and border states. Explain to me the closure rate vs. the population increase.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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furthermore, i think you (people here supporting illegals) are also being very niave. you actually think that those farms will go under, that prices will go up? no, that is a simple way and stupid way of looking at it.

i can bet a paycheck that when a company commits a felony and hires illegal aliens and pays them less than minimum or subpar wages, those extra dollars are not going towards people in this country getting better products or cheaper products.

the price stays the same, and those big corporations, farms, construction companies, etc, pocket the difference. all it does is go to their profit margins. i bet prices would barely go up at all if any if they were gone.
But you ignore the concept that without immigrants, these jobs may not get filled at all.

And, if the corporations did hire americans at even the minimum wage (assuming that people would take those jobs) do you actually think the corporations would take the hit from their profit margin? Hell no, they wouldn't They would jack up the prices to increase their margins.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 05:55 PM
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so do you support sweat shops as well? how about child labor? indentured servants? at what point do you draw the line between not worth the profits or jobs and blatant abuse of our nations employment laws and health and welfare of workers?



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