You guys are funny. I must say that I had no idea how many people that think they know so much. No one has refuted what I have to say. My arguments are technically sound. My very first post said I sold them, so what did I "admit". I happen to be an avid car enthusiast having had Everything from a Dakota R/T to a BMW 330Ci. The reason that I have started selling these kits is because I believe in them. My position in my day job is a "Senior Technical Analyst". Before I preach about a product I do all my research. I have done my research on brakes technology. Have you? If you have then I commend you, but you may need to take another look at what you are saying.

So you are saying that there is no such thing as too much brake for a car. You are infact showing that you do not understand braking technology. If you have had problems with your rotors and pads I am sorry. Maybe you should try this kit. I see you are in VA, where are you located?

--------As for you comment Jon, you may think that you are debunking claims, but the fact is that everything that I have said I could back up with a technical answer. You obviously are a technical guy, but your points have not invalidated what I said. As rayder said earlier, "Just because you don't understand it, or have no knowledge of something that may be new to you... doesn't mean it doesn't work, or isn't functional."

I will not argue the technical merit of these brakes any longer. I have posted more then enough reasons why they are superior, if you cannot understand the technical merit of these then I am sorry. You should probably re-read what I have posted. The Brake Man does not make "bling" brake systems for them form follows function. If they were into bling they would make a absolutely HUGE rotor on their kits, like some of the "other" manufacturers do, instead of making a kit that is designed for the car. Which do you think looks more bling, honestly, a gigantic rotor with Bright-Red calipers or the kit I am selling? If it were a marketing thing they would not be charging what they do and making the kits out of the materials that they do. Again form follows function.

Comon now. We are all adults here (although I am beginning to wonder).

 

I just got back from being at sea for a few weeks, rejoined the "old" i-club, and stumbled across this wonderful thread. Man, I don't even know where to begin!

You could back up your claims with technical answers, but you haven't. Rather than post actual data that would prove your claim that the Brake Man calipers were more rigid than the various monoblock designs out there, you said, "Um if i did produce numbers would you beleive it? Not likely." Wow, there's some really convincing technical data!

To make a claim and then not back it up with any objective data doesn't prove anything. You've talked a lot about matching the rotors and calipers to the car, as though that were some revolutionary idea. Why do you think Stoptech uses different models of their calipers (with different piston diameters) on different models of cars? Why do you think Baer decided not to market their kit yet because it needed more testing? Etc etc etc...

You've made a few generic brake-tech related statements that IMHO haven't proven a damn thing about why this Brake Man kit is so great. Show us the numbers! As a couple of people have already pointed out, the other manufacturers have already been subjected to a head-to-head shootout by an established, respected magazine. A lot of people here were impressed by the Stoptech kit even before the article was published, and now there's hard data to back up Stoptech's reputation. If you expect people to spend an extra $1000 for your kit you'd better have something better to offer than cliches, un-verified (unverifiable?) claims, and horrible grammar and spelling.

Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan

 

Well said Pat.

 

Casual,

First of all, AaronC's understanding of braking physics is virtually nil (or was two years ago). He has shown that he doesn't understand the basic theory of how rotor diameter, piston area (regardless of # of pistons), front/rear bias and thermal capacity all conspire to create a specific braking performance. His comments regarding a 14" rotor and 6, 8, or 10 piston calipers show this. In actuality, it would be very simple to design a 10 piston caliper and 14" rotor combination that generates less torque than the stock system.

Another example is his touting the fact that this caliper is the only one in existence that fully retracts the pads and then counters Jon's post by saying they come with residual valves. A residual valve is used to keep the pad IN CONTACT with the rotor. Just another contradiction.

If you are looking to see what braking systems really perfrom well, take a look at the sports car racing teams and what they are using. These will be the brakes that are able to cope with racing temperatures and use. You can assume these would be adequate for aggressive street and track day driving.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

 

Can we get some raw data shown finally or someone who doesnt work for StopTech (or said company)?

Personally, i would like more to see posts from people who are not sponsored/who do not work for a (brake company)/ working for a (brake seller).

From what i've seen on this board is either we got people who work for companies (or brake sellers) who like boast about products they are selling.
All the post either directly or indirectly bash the other product when it comes to the best.

Data please..... Thanks ^_^

- Ulysses

 

Useful,

What kind of raw data are you looking for? Any data that you find will most likely come directly from the brake manufacturer unless tested by an independant 3rd party. I don't think that's happened with Brakeman brakes.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
www.teamSMR.com

 

I can state nothing on the quality of the BrakeMan components, but I can say that I was the (or at least one of the) original Moderator on www.s2ki.com when it opened up as s2000online.com, having come from the S2000 forums on www.Honda-Acura.net way back in like '99. They were talked about quite a lot, as with the thread that AaronC pointed out, but members there were as skeptical as the ones here.

In fact, Rick Hesel, one of the guys' favorite vendors--who runs www.ricks2k.com --was one of the only trusted vendors for BrakeMan products. Now, however, I don't see the brakes even listed on his site. Maybe that says something, maybe not.... I'm not involved in the boards anymore, and would have to ask the crowd.

(Rick is the one who got the leather shift boots for the GC Impreza produced for me, during my 2000-2001 group buy.)

-S2-

 

Im just looking for the most simplest answer. What is the distance it stops the car from 60-0 once the brakes are pressed. I know this isnt too technical of an answer. But if car X stops 110 ft using Y brake kit. And another car X stops 105 ft using Z brake kit, you have your answer which is the better brake kit. I guess i want overall "stoppage power". This by no means the kit is better than the other, but at least, there is SOME kind of data.

- Ulysses