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Oct 3, 2003 | 07:53 PM

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Verdicts still out on who's faster in a straight line, 0-60 I'll give you the STI, 1/4 I'll argue. Anyway, to each his own in the long run, and I fully understand about brand loyalty. Goodnight all.

Oct 4, 2003 | 09:47 PM

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STI? Hell Yeah.

Dude, Even if the STI doesnt have exactly 300, its a Ridiculously fast car. Faster than the Evo, which is faster than my WRX, in turn faster than your RX8. Make the move to smooth.

Oct 5, 2003 | 11:09 AM

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Guys, seriously, the STI is not faster than the EVO. What's the fastest 1/4 for a stock STI? The Evo's done a 13.05.

Oct 5, 2003 | 11:55 AM

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some proof or a link would be nice

Oct 5, 2003 | 04:25 PM

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OK ALL!.. ducaticorse is a troll, a flamer. He brings nothing to the discussion. Ignore Him or Her.

I deal with these all the time plaing online games. They bait you on to make you respond.

ducaticorse is nothing more than a person tring to justify buying the second best car the EVO.

END of Story.. THE STI RULES at the I-Club.

ducaticorse go back to the EVO boards.

Oct 5, 2003 | 09:21 PM

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come on now, i was just looking for a heated discussion.

Oct 8, 2003 | 08:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Blue-Adept
OK ALL!.. ducaticorse is a troll, a flamer. He brings nothing to the discussion. Ignore Him or Her.

I deal with these all the time plaing online games. They bait you on to make you respond.

ducaticorse is nothing more than a person tring to justify buying the second best car the EVO.

END of Story.. THE STI RULES at the I-Club.

ducaticorse go back to the EVO boards.

- Janq

Oct 8, 2003 | 11:22 PM

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a heated discussion? haha
the STi will win in the quarter mile.
The Evo will win in the twisties. BTW thats stock vs stock. The STi is faster in a line and the EVO handles slightly better. Period. End of discussion.

Oct 8, 2003 | 11:25 PM

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Re: Your hearts in the right place at least.

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Originally posted by Snowy
I think your getting a little confused about "Crank" hp and "Wheel" hp. The car manufactures, and this holds true for almost all, measure the horspower of their engine at the crank. They also don't have the alternater, power steering, or A/C connected to the engine, this means that when it is actualy put into a car those suck up a lot of power, and then even more power is lost to the transmision (having to overcome the friction involved) so when you compare the claimed Hp to the wheel Hp you have to take all that into account. Also you have to understand what conditions the car is being dyno'd in, what is the ambient pressure, whats the ambient temp, how long has the engine been running, is the intercooler and or radiator hot or cold, what fuel is it running on. All that and a **** load more will all effect the measured wheel Hp. The only time I've heard of an engine making more than the claimed Hp was on the Dodge Neon SRT-4, Dodge got the claimed Hp delibritly when the engine was running it's worst, ie. hot intercooler, hot engine, yada yada. Now personaly I have to give props to Dodge for that, if more manufacturers put the claimed horse power at what the car would do in the worst condition I would be one happy puppy.
As for the STi, the engine really does have that Hp when tested as the manufactures do it. real world though, it varies on what type of dyno you like, some say 270 @ wheels, some say 220, either way though the All wheel drive and limited slips suck up a lot of power, thats why people get underdriven pullies and sliprier transmision fluid and engine oil.

If this is all true then why do nissans cars engines make different horsepower when they all have the vq35det?

Oct 9, 2003 | 09:51 AM

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Re: Re: Your hearts in the right place at least.

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If this is all true then why do nissans cars engines make different horsepower when they all have the vq35det?

Because the marketing dept. wants it that way, thats why.

Its been widely reported all year that all thoguh the 350Z is marketed as the top power maker the Infiniti G35 Coupe makes the same amount of CHP. Further I did my own research and talked with the regional service manager during the summer and he sated that the parts numbers between the 350Z & G35 ECU's are in fact different but the units are _exactly_ the same and directly interchangeable.
Further, I spoke with the service & parts manager of my own local Infinit dealership (large chain) that also happens to own & have a Nissan dealership right next door. The guy is big in local racing (Honda's) and he'd said that he and several techs from both sides were curious so they had a 350 Z 'Track' and G35 6MT locally dyno'd and found that they both made the same CHP and had nearly same WHP. Now this piece I cannot confirm but I have no reason to disbelieve him as he's the one who turned me on to the regional service manager to answer my power questions.

Also it was posited just last month by C&D that the G35 Sedan 6MT appears to be making the same WHP as the G35 Coupe and 350Z.

Its very common in the auto industry for manuf. to _under state_ thier performance number for reasons of marketing. Don't take what you read as gospel especially if there is a marketing guy handing it to you.

Just an FYI...

- Janq