thinking from an rx-8
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In all seroiusness, if you considering an Accord or G35, the STi is not what you want. The STi is aimed at the performance enthusiast only. It's a great performcance car that can be used as a good commuter. The G35 and Accord V6 are great commuters that have good performance.
I think the 6spd RX-8 is a little weak, but still a permfance car. It's very well balance with great control and feel, and once moving, it's a joy. For the price, I would rather have the STi or Evo, but then you have to live with the looks of those too choices. I'm sure there will soon be some nice performance upgrades for the RX-8.
Get what you want, but you don't need the type of driving the STi will alow you, get the G35 or Accord, or even leather Altima 3.5. It's no slouch.
I think the 6spd RX-8 is a little weak, but still a permfance car. It's very well balance with great control and feel, and once moving, it's a joy. For the price, I would rather have the STi or Evo, but then you have to live with the looks of those too choices. I'm sure there will soon be some nice performance upgrades for the RX-8.
Get what you want, but you don't need the type of driving the STi will alow you, get the G35 or Accord, or even leather Altima 3.5. It's no slouch.
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Or just wait, I think mazda might release a turbo version of the rx8.
Just like the 350z, it's all about sales marketing. First sell the naturally aspirated 350z. Everyone buys it. Then the roadster comes out...damn, sell the NA and buy the roadster. Finally the turbo...damn, sell the roadster and get the turbo. You get the idea...smart marketing IMO.
Why sell you one model when they can sell you two or three.
Patience is a virtue
Just like the 350z, it's all about sales marketing. First sell the naturally aspirated 350z. Everyone buys it. Then the roadster comes out...damn, sell the NA and buy the roadster. Finally the turbo...damn, sell the roadster and get the turbo. You get the idea...smart marketing IMO.
Why sell you one model when they can sell you two or three.
Patience is a virtue
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most car manufacturers are running away from turbos cuz their maintenance/break down under warranty costs are huge.. Look @ Audi, 2.7 is out and 4.2 v8 is in...
look @ supra (2005 will NOT be turbo), Z350, RX8, etc..
look @ supra (2005 will NOT be turbo), Z350, RX8, etc..
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Originally posted by amdmaxx
most car manufacturers are running away from turbos cuz their maintenance/break down under warranty costs are huge.. Look @ Audi, 2.7 is out and 4.2 v8 is in...
look @ supra (2005 will NOT be turbo), Z350, RX8, etc..
most car manufacturers are running away from turbos cuz their maintenance/break down under warranty costs are huge.. Look @ Audi, 2.7 is out and 4.2 v8 is in...
look @ supra (2005 will NOT be turbo), Z350, RX8, etc..
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Originally posted by bao ling
Just like the 350z, it's all about sales marketing. First sell the naturally aspirated 350z. Everyone buys it. Then the roadster comes out...damn, sell the NA and buy the roadster. Finally the turbo...damn, sell the roadster and get the turbo. You get the idea...smart marketing IMO.
True, but if the consumer interest is enough then you'll see it. Hence Mazda speed.
Just like the 350z, it's all about sales marketing. First sell the naturally aspirated 350z. Everyone buys it. Then the roadster comes out...damn, sell the NA and buy the roadster. Finally the turbo...damn, sell the roadster and get the turbo. You get the idea...smart marketing IMO.
True, but if the consumer interest is enough then you'll see it. Hence Mazda speed.
Mazda speed came out with their tuned RX8 already, I do not think it had any Engine changes or addons, just an aero kit. Which was disapointing I guess.
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The trend of manufacturers is to give the public what they want. High performance is back in "style" now. Just look at what companies are offering, almost every company has a performance line. People want fast sports cars again, 350z, wrx sti, rx8, supra, mustang cobra, mach 1, ect.
Manufacturers also realize the huge profit that the aftermarket companies are making. Thus automakers are offering aftermarket items or oem equivalents from the factory to cut into this market.
All I'm saying is that if there's enough public demand for a turbo model, you might see one from the factory again. Don't be surprised.
I think that there is a demand due to all the aftermarket turbo's and superchargers kits already made for the 350z. Just look in turbo magazine's index of kits.
And you have to realize that most people are more willing to purchase a factory turbo than install an aftermarket one themselves. I would
Manufacturers also realize the huge profit that the aftermarket companies are making. Thus automakers are offering aftermarket items or oem equivalents from the factory to cut into this market.
All I'm saying is that if there's enough public demand for a turbo model, you might see one from the factory again. Don't be surprised.
I think that there is a demand due to all the aftermarket turbo's and superchargers kits already made for the 350z. Just look in turbo magazine's index of kits.
And you have to realize that most people are more willing to purchase a factory turbo than install an aftermarket one themselves. I would
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I would like you STI drivers to try and get a hold of an EVO for a week, and do a comparison. I think even you die hard subie fans would have to face the facts. The EVO is a better car period. How many of you have actually driven an EVO, and compared the two cars back to back? The car handles better, it's faster in the 1/4, and has a better steering rack. Not to mention the seats and the time tested motor. You guys try and make yourselves feel better by saying the STI is a better "daily driver" please. How much are you planning on spending on suspension upgrades? You all bash this car to much. The STI, isn't even a real rally car with the 2.5ltr setup. Imagine what the EVO would be like stroked to 2.5, could you say, not even comparable? What ever you have to tell your selves to sleep better at night.
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A better car for you maybe! If I wanted the best car I think is the best I would buy a 911 with the x50 option. If I asked my Dad what the best car is he would say a Lexus. Get real ducaticorse.
The EVO is not better just diferent. I perfer the STI over the EVO.
I like the seats in the STI, I like the package. I can tell you have had limited automobile experiance just by your statements.
Oh and by the way was this thread about a person asking about the STI and the RX-8.
It did not say EVO and RX-8. He did not mention the EVO.
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The EVO is not better just diferent. I perfer the STI over the EVO.
I like the seats in the STI, I like the package. I can tell you have had limited automobile experiance just by your statements.
Oh and by the way was this thread about a person asking about the STI and the RX-8.
It did not say EVO and RX-8. He did not mention the EVO.
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Hmm, Problem with RX-8 output eh? I remember the 1999 Mustang Cobra exhibiting this same problem...its all Ford's fault!
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Now as a person who has test driven both the EVO and the STI, Good to have friends with nice cars =D, I can honestly say that yes the EVO handles better, it sticks to pavement like spiderman sticks to walls, and has better steering.
The STI is definitely faster than the EVO, though it doesn't seem too much of a difference. The STI does not handle as well, and the steering is much less sensitive. I could write a full review but I don't have the patience to write that kind of detail here.
Point is, each car has its place, it just so happens that some of us would rather have a fun car that is better at what we do everyday..drive in streets that are in pretty crappy condition. In that respect the STI is superior.
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Now as a person who has test driven both the EVO and the STI, Good to have friends with nice cars =D, I can honestly say that yes the EVO handles better, it sticks to pavement like spiderman sticks to walls, and has better steering.
The STI is definitely faster than the EVO, though it doesn't seem too much of a difference. The STI does not handle as well, and the steering is much less sensitive. I could write a full review but I don't have the patience to write that kind of detail here.
Point is, each car has its place, it just so happens that some of us would rather have a fun car that is better at what we do everyday..drive in streets that are in pretty crappy condition. In that respect the STI is superior.
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Originally posted by ducaticorse
I would like you STI drivers to try and get a hold of an EVO for a week, and do a comparison. I think even you die hard subie fans would have to face the facts. The EVO is a better car period. How many of you have actually driven an EVO, and compared the two cars back to back? The car handles better, it's faster in the 1/4, and has a better steering rack. Not to mention the seats and the time tested motor. You guys try and make yourselves feel better by saying the STI is a better "daily driver" please. How much are you planning on spending on suspension upgrades? You all bash this car to much. The STI, isn't even a real rally car with the 2.5ltr setup. Imagine what the EVO would be like stroked to 2.5, could you say, not even comparable? What ever you have to tell your selves to sleep better at night.
I would like you STI drivers to try and get a hold of an EVO for a week, and do a comparison. I think even you die hard subie fans would have to face the facts. The EVO is a better car period. How many of you have actually driven an EVO, and compared the two cars back to back? The car handles better, it's faster in the 1/4, and has a better steering rack. Not to mention the seats and the time tested motor. You guys try and make yourselves feel better by saying the STI is a better "daily driver" please. How much are you planning on spending on suspension upgrades? You all bash this car to much. The STI, isn't even a real rally car with the 2.5ltr setup. Imagine what the EVO would be like stroked to 2.5, could you say, not even comparable? What ever you have to tell your selves to sleep better at night.
"All bow down to the mighty evo; king of all cars, ruler's of the highways and byways." Thats what you wanted to hear rite? Now maybe you can sleep better at nite
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The EVO does have the good steering/suspension over the impreza from what I've read. The impreza's needs to be tuned. I think subaru designers didn't take into account the additional weight of the 2.5 with the turbo.
As for this thread it was a discussion of comparable sport cars. I didn't consider the EVO because it is marked 10K over MSRP in hawaii. Which puts it into a higher category.
STI need suspension tuned. EVO will alway have quicker steering. STI has a perfect power train according to every magazine.
I love the EVO too man. I even considered buying one except for the above mentioned price. If it was MSRP I probably would be driving one now.
P.S. For those of you in hawaii that paid more that MSRP you are know in the automotive world as paying the "stupid tax." Reference:Motortrend.
As for this thread it was a discussion of comparable sport cars. I didn't consider the EVO because it is marked 10K over MSRP in hawaii. Which puts it into a higher category.
STI need suspension tuned. EVO will alway have quicker steering. STI has a perfect power train according to every magazine.
I love the EVO too man. I even considered buying one except for the above mentioned price. If it was MSRP I probably would be driving one now.
P.S. For those of you in hawaii that paid more that MSRP you are know in the automotive world as paying the "stupid tax." Reference:Motortrend.