STI appears too expensive, EVO is here and very nice.....
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Congrats on your purchase! EVO or Sti, they are both cool cars to have. Nice full blue color on yours Daveyd.
I hope that if or when I get my car that everything works out well. Pricing and all.
Tim
I hope that if or when I get my car that everything works out well. Pricing and all.
Tim
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I still prefer the STi because the 4g63 engine that comes in the Evo. (and Eclipse 
) cannot last 50,000 miles reliably. Every friend of mine with an Eclipse with mods. had to rebuild the engine.
Sorry, thats my personal experiences with that engine, so I definitely the STi because the engine is alot more reliable!
) cannot last 50,000 miles reliably. Every friend of mine with an Eclipse with mods. had to rebuild the engine.Sorry, thats my personal experiences with that engine, so I definitely the STi because the engine is alot more reliable!
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Originally posted by AllWheelDorifto
I still prefer the STi because the 4g63 engine that comes in the Evo. (and Eclipse ) cannot last 50,000 miles reliably. Every friend of mine with an Eclipse with mods. had to rebuild the engine.
Sorry, thats my personal experiences with that engine, so I definitely the STi because the engine is alot more reliable!
I still prefer the STi because the 4g63 engine that comes in the Evo. (and Eclipse
) cannot last 50,000 miles reliably. Every friend of mine with an Eclipse with mods. had to rebuild the engine.Sorry, thats my personal experiences with that engine, so I definitely the STi because the engine is alot more reliable!
I'm wondering if some of the WRX will start to see the same sort of problems when they hit those kind of miles. I have heard good things from people on this and the other boards about the WRX engines holding up in miles even when built. But I have also seen blown built engines posted here and elsewhere. IMO, when you add horses you subtract miles. I have no pland on modding my STi (although that may change when the warrenty runs out), so hopefully the STi's new block will not suffer from any infant deaths and last for 100+k in stock form.
Or keep my WRX! 
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Go to www.pruvenperformance.com and you will see the Evo on their all wheel drive dyno. In this months issue of Sport Compact Magazine they take their Evo to HKS to get dynoed. It put down 240whp meaning that it is extremely underrated from the factory. This motor is putting out more like 300-315 not 271 like the factory claims.
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Go to Evolutionm.net and you will see that the general consensus amongst the experts is that the USDM Evo's power is consistent with Mitsu's claimed 271 bhp i.e. dynoed straight out the box without ANY modifications.
Pruvenperformance's car has already been tweaked to put out these improved numbers (nothing wrong with that, so long as you realise a bog-standard car off the lot isn't performing like this).
In fact on 91 grade gas, the Evo VIII is actually running around 10 bhp less than the 271 bhp factory figures according to Shiv at Vishnu.
So whilst JDM Evos (and STis) are generally more powerful relative to the manufacturers claims of ~280 bhp, or so, the USDM Evo isn't.......it's putting out exactly what is claimed.
Pruvenperformance's car has already been tweaked to put out these improved numbers (nothing wrong with that, so long as you realise a bog-standard car off the lot isn't performing like this).
In fact on 91 grade gas, the Evo VIII is actually running around 10 bhp less than the 271 bhp factory figures according to Shiv at Vishnu.
So whilst JDM Evos (and STis) are generally more powerful relative to the manufacturers claims of ~280 bhp, or so, the USDM Evo isn't.......it's putting out exactly what is claimed.
A good friends/customer bone stock Evo 8, with about 25 miles on it, dynoed at 233 hp, 253 torque just last weekend.
As for your buddies and their unreilable 4G63's, it is all down to parts selection and tuning. the 4G63 is perhaps the best 4 cylinder motor ever...literally. I have had several, and when properly modded and properly tuned/maintained, all made excellent HP numbers, and did so without issue.
My last Mitsu experiment, my GVR4, was the best of all. Qucik story. I bought the car around 4 years ago and it was from the original owner, needing a new motor (stock motor had let go at 182k..car was 100% original). I bought what I was told was a brand new, crated 4G63T motor from a reputable used parts dealer in Cali. Allegedly, it was the last of the Mitsu. built 4G63T motors, and we got it for a good price (2200 shipped, for a new, not rebuilt crated long block). We dropped it in the car with some mods at the beginning (boost controller, big 16G turbo, cat back, JUn flywheel, ACT clutch, suspension, etc.). From there, I steadily modded it over the years, to its present state of 660 injectors, 18G, front mount, VPC, S-AFC, fuel pump, fuel lines, the works. Car runs consistent low-mid 12's at 112-115. Finally last May, the car began showing signs of a worn ring. A compression test revealed that in fact, the #1 cylinder ring (runs the leanest) had called it quits, and compression was aroun 85 psi...not good. So, we tore the motor out, and while I ahve been building a race motor for it, we dropped in a freshly rebuilt 1G motor. What we found on the old motor was that it was NOT a 4G63T motor afterall...just a plain old regular 4G63 (non turbo) motor, from an Eclipse GS (non turbo). Thats right, I ran mid 12's, droe the car for around 52k miles, on a non turbo 4G63 motor, and when iut finally was pulled out, it was for a cracked ring..no broken piston, no broken rod, etc. Car ran the day it was taken out (just smoked at idle!). Having worked on countless DSM's and G-VR4;s, I ahve no doubt that this is among the best 4 cylinder motors ever built, and certainly the best (in my book) 4 cylinder turbo motor ever built. While the DSM's do suffer from build quality issues (especially the 2G cars, which I admit are not the best one on the block), the G-VR4 is literally a tank, and hands down one of the most reliable cars I have ever owned. Took far less money, and far less tinkering to get it to run what my old Subaru ran. Just my $0.02
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As for your buddies and their unreilable 4G63's, it is all down to parts selection and tuning. the 4G63 is perhaps the best 4 cylinder motor ever...literally. I have had several, and when properly modded and properly tuned/maintained, all made excellent HP numbers, and did so without issue.
My last Mitsu experiment, my GVR4, was the best of all. Qucik story. I bought the car around 4 years ago and it was from the original owner, needing a new motor (stock motor had let go at 182k..car was 100% original). I bought what I was told was a brand new, crated 4G63T motor from a reputable used parts dealer in Cali. Allegedly, it was the last of the Mitsu. built 4G63T motors, and we got it for a good price (2200 shipped, for a new, not rebuilt crated long block). We dropped it in the car with some mods at the beginning (boost controller, big 16G turbo, cat back, JUn flywheel, ACT clutch, suspension, etc.). From there, I steadily modded it over the years, to its present state of 660 injectors, 18G, front mount, VPC, S-AFC, fuel pump, fuel lines, the works. Car runs consistent low-mid 12's at 112-115. Finally last May, the car began showing signs of a worn ring. A compression test revealed that in fact, the #1 cylinder ring (runs the leanest) had called it quits, and compression was aroun 85 psi...not good. So, we tore the motor out, and while I ahve been building a race motor for it, we dropped in a freshly rebuilt 1G motor. What we found on the old motor was that it was NOT a 4G63T motor afterall...just a plain old regular 4G63 (non turbo) motor, from an Eclipse GS (non turbo). Thats right, I ran mid 12's, droe the car for around 52k miles, on a non turbo 4G63 motor, and when iut finally was pulled out, it was for a cracked ring..no broken piston, no broken rod, etc. Car ran the day it was taken out (just smoked at idle!). Having worked on countless DSM's and G-VR4;s, I ahve no doubt that this is among the best 4 cylinder motors ever built, and certainly the best (in my book) 4 cylinder turbo motor ever built. While the DSM's do suffer from build quality issues (especially the 2G cars, which I admit are not the best one on the block), the G-VR4 is literally a tank, and hands down one of the most reliable cars I have ever owned. Took far less money, and far less tinkering to get it to run what my old Subaru ran. Just my $0.02
Adam
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I agree with Z1. Its all about proper tuning and selection of parts. I cant say how many people I know that have cut corners to try and save a few dollars when tuning their cars and they all turned out to be disasters. The only true weakness that I really know of on those cars was the transmissions. After a lot of hard launches they dont seem to hold up too well. I really hope that Mitsubishi has solved this problem with the Evo.
As far as the claims that the US spec Evo's are putting out the claimed 271 horsepower or slightly less they are wrong. Pruven Performances Evo was not slightly modified. It was bone stock. Take a look at this months Sport Compact Car Magazine and you will see the dyno results from HKS. They put a brand spanking new Evo on their all wheel drive dyno and it put down 240whp. The dyno at Vishnu is either a completely different kind of dyno that registers very low numbers or it is way off. I would trust the numbers from HKS and Pruven Performance over Vishnu. I am not knocking Vishnu at all. I think that they make some great stuff but seeing that two other dynos have this car between 225-240whp convinces me of their validity.
As far as the claims that the US spec Evo's are putting out the claimed 271 horsepower or slightly less they are wrong. Pruven Performances Evo was not slightly modified. It was bone stock. Take a look at this months Sport Compact Car Magazine and you will see the dyno results from HKS. They put a brand spanking new Evo on their all wheel drive dyno and it put down 240whp. The dyno at Vishnu is either a completely different kind of dyno that registers very low numbers or it is way off. I would trust the numbers from HKS and Pruven Performance over Vishnu. I am not knocking Vishnu at all. I think that they make some great stuff but seeing that two other dynos have this car between 225-240whp convinces me of their validity.
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Pruven's Evo measured 223whp
http://www.pruvenperformance.com/lancerlog.htm
Shiv supposedly dyno'd a test vehicle, and later dynod a few production models which all fell short of the test car.
http://www.pruvenperformance.com/lancerlog.htm
Shiv supposedly dyno'd a test vehicle, and later dynod a few production models which all fell short of the test car.
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Originally posted by RichiQY
nice
where do you live?
seems like you have plenty of rally roads to run this baby.
nice
where do you live?
seems like you have plenty of rally roads to run this baby.
I live in Hanover, PA which is in South Central PA about 10 mins from the Maryland border. I've got 300 miles on it so far. I can't wait until the 600 mile break in period is over. The power so far is awesome. This is the best handling car I have ever driven. It's like a freakin go-cart.