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Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:07 AM
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I posted a picture for you in yesterday's thread.
Saw that! The Miata of doom screams at speed!
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rev. Rob Large
What am I missing? Aren't most pre-2006 STi R180 rears 3.90?

Source - Rallispec

I mean, I know the math is complicated, but 1.0:1 transfer ratio times 3.90 final drive is.. uh.. carry pi.. 3.90?

*pre-2006. Mine is a 2006.
I thought it was 04 and 05 were 3.9. I guess the 06 is too? I've seen posts that list all the STis as 3.9 and then other posts that list only the 04 and 05 as 3.9.

My current R160 diff is 3.9.

Originally Posted by Rev. Rob Large
Curious. Why would you want LSD only in the rear of an AWD vehicle?
Rotation/rear lift. Being able to power over instead of just lift over.

Front LSD would be neat. I'm not sure I need it to the point of taking apart the transmission to put it in.
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:18 AM
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04-06 QQ
then they changed it for 07+

You could just find an 02-05 wrx r160 for the lsd
And then you'll need to disable traction control every time or they will constantly fight each other
You don't need cooling ports. in fact you don't need any of this yet, but of course you'll buy parts you don't need so that you don't have money to afford the parts you need. lulz
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by IS2Scooby
While this is only tangentially related and could easily be considered a threadjack, I'm old and sort of emotionally tone-deaf so....

No wonder my Fozchacho feels so edgy - the trans gearing and final drive are nutty!
Also, these specs show the US Forester XT as having the same ratios from 2004-2008 while I thought there were differences. Humph.

I wonder how much more mellow a 6-speed swap is going to make it feel.

3.454 / 1.947 / 1.366 / 0.972 / 0.738 / 4.444FD - '04-'08 Forester 2.5XT
3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.891 / 0.707 / 3.900FD - JDM Forester STI
3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 1.061 / 0.842 / 3.900FD JDM STI
3.636 / 2.375 / 1.761 / 1.346 / 0.971 / 0.756 / 3.900FD - USDM 2004-2006 Impreza WRX STi
3.636 / 2.235 / 1.521 / 1.137 / 0.971 / 0.756 / 3.900FD - USDM 2007-current Impreza WRX STi

Xcceleration
remember the good ol days when we did RA gearset swaps when we blew up our "glass boxes"? we all thought they were stronger, when in fact they were simply more closely stacked which kept them alive much more effectively.

Oh and,
with the fxt gearing, which I personally really enjoyed, my 20g didn't even feel much different in lowend from a vf39. hint hint
and then when soccer mom was late to practice, the little toaster would FLYYYYYY
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by IS2Scooby
Saw that! The Miata of doom screams at speed!
In looking at the FXT gearing you just posted its all about the overall tire diameter. The Miata's tiny tires make similar gears feel and act so differently.
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Vladi
remember the good ol days when we did RA gearset swaps when we blew up our "glass boxes"? we all thought they were stronger, when in fact they were simply more closely stacked which kept them alive much more effectively.

Oh and,
with the fxt gearing, which I personally really enjoyed, my 20g didn't even feel much different in lowend from a vf39. hint hint
and then when soccer mom was late to practice, the little toaster would FLYYYYYY
I remember always wanting one of those gearsets but never being able to afford it so I just slipped the hell out of my clutch every time I launched at the dragstrip. LOL

Mmmmmm, 20G!!!! I'm already so tempted. If I wasn't worried about this 110k mile engine expiring and the smog issues it'd be on there already!
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris GTO TT
In looking at the FXT gearing you just posted its all about the overall tire diameter. The Miata's tiny tires make similar gears feel and act so differently.
I forgot about tire diameter. Too true!
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:31 AM
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Check out my effective ratio by gear heat map. A 6 speed swap could really change the way things feel. This (probably erroneously) assumed the 2007 STI has a 3.90 final drive.
Red = higher, yellow = lower.

P.S. I made you look at my tranny heat map.
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Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:33 AM
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Up to 2005, STis had 3.90 rear diffs. Starting in 2006, they went to 3.54. I have a 2006 R180 rear diff in Toby with the UW1MA 6MT.
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Vladi
You could just find an 02-05 wrx r160 for the lsd
VLSD.. meh. Why bother. If he's going through the trouble, might as well do it right with a clutch pack LSD.
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Vladi
04-06 QQ
then they changed it for 07+

You could just find an 02-05 wrx r160 for the lsd
And then you'll need to disable traction control every time or they will constantly fight each other
You don't need cooling ports. in fact you don't need any of this yet, but of course you'll buy parts you don't need so that you don't have money to afford the parts you need. lulz
Subaru parts says the 06 is 3.545.

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_20...7011AB020.html

If ima *** wid it, I think I should go for the beefcake 180.

TC is usually off. I say usually because sometimes, I forget.

And...

Originally Posted by JourdanWithaU
LSD, option for higher capacity cover and cooler ports.
Options don't hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if I run into cooling problems. So far, this stupid car has been and still is a mess of cooling problems.
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JourdanWithaU
Subaru parts says the 06 is 3.545.

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_20...7011AB020.html

If ima *** wid it, I think I should go for the beefcake 180.

TC is usually off. I say usually because sometimes, I forget..
Was it on or off when you nearly hit that tr.. nevermind.

But yes, 2006 STi had 3.54 R180 rear diffs.

See link below. Again.

Originally Posted by Rev. Rob Large
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:43 AM
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Gear spacing heatmap comparing models. Yellow = farther apart, green = closer together.

P.S. Check out that huge jump from 1st to 2nd in the '04-'08 FXT. Every change is pretty wide compared to the JDM and 2004-2005 STI's (duh, 5 speed). Seems like a JDM STI is the closest-spaced box (also probably "duh" to everyone but me).

P.P.S. I pitted trannys against each other and made them fight for your edification.
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Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:47 AM
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I just realized my randomly googled source of data contradicts Rallispec and a number of smart people in this thread and is probably wrong. Sorry. :-(

It doesn't show a different rear diff ratio until 2008.

Impreza WRX STi models:

2004-2006 manual transmission gear ratios:
1st - 3.636
2nd - 2.375
3rd - 1.761
4th - 1.346
5th - 0.971
6th - 0.756
reverse - 3.545
final drive ratio - 3.90

2007 manual transmission gear ratios:
1st: 3.636
2nd: 2.235
3rd: 1.521
4th:1.137
5th:0.971
6th: 0.756
reverse - 3.545
final drive ratio - 3.90

2008 STi 6 speed manual
1st 3.636
2nd 2.235
3rd 1.521
4th, 1.137
5th 0.097
6th 0.756
Front final gear ratio: 3.9
Rear final gear ratio: 3.545
Old Oct 18, 2017 | 09:49 AM
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Throw in some spec.B 6spd gear sets into your calculations



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