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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 10:43 AM
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The Kings need to make a vid for the Lakers.

They could have Rodney king, Riots, Truckers getting beaten, Kobe smackin' around some broads, Illegals jumping fences, Olson twins swollowing tooth brushes, Gary Bucci snorting coke behind a dumpster and Madonna sleeping with everyone while Ashton Kutcher runs around telling Bruce Willis he got punked.

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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 12:41 PM
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I do not subscribe to a religion that allows or at least used to allow multiple wifes...
ummm, I said moron not mormon. Basic literacy is an issue I see.

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If I paid to see a game, I want to see a game. Football players are hauled off on stretchers from injuries directly related to the game and the teams play on. Hell back in 1989 when Clint Malarchuk has his neck/jugular cut by a skate blade they scraped the blood off of the ice and finished the game. Like I said before, when men were men...
The game will get made up and everyone that had tickets that night will get to go. Where is the problem?

Oh, thats right it's you.....You see, everyone else seems to understand but you and I suspect it's because you are trying to argue your point no matter how lame it may be.

BTW - Good luck raising those kids to believe that winning is the only way. Just forget about teaching them sportsmanship and the like. They will do just fine.
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Originally Posted by VIBEELEVEN
The Kings need to make a vid for the Lakers.

They could have Rodney king, Riots, Truckers getting beaten, Kobe smackin' around some broads, Illegals jumping fences, Olson twins swollowing tooth brushes, Gary Bucci snorting coke behind a dumpster and Madonna sleeping with everyone while Ashton Kutcher runs around telling Bruce Willis he got punked.
That would be sweet.....
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 01:00 PM
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ummm, I said moron not mormon. Basic literacy is an issue I see.
Mormon, moron - what's the difference...
The game will get made up and everyone that had tickets that night will get to go. Where is the problem?
What if someone came in from out of town to watch the game. Is the NHL or Jiri going to pay to fly them back in and put them up for the night so that they can see the game they paid for? I think not!
Oh, thats right it's you.....You see, everyone else seems to understand but you and I suspect it's because you are trying to argue your point no matter how lame it may be.
They did not need to postpone the game in 1989 when the goalie became a blood fountain, why should they now when a player busted out with a horrible break dance. If only his little piece of cardboard did not get soggy from the frozen water under his feet...
BTW - Good luck raising those kids to believe that winning is the only way. Just forget about teaching them sportsmanship and the like. They will do just fine.
Winning is not the only way, but it is the only outcome you should be happy with. There are winners and losers, there can not and should not be anything in between. If you lose, you figure out what you did wrong and correct it the next time. You do not go out and have a pizza party unless you win the game because it is not OK to lose.
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Anyways I am done with you.
Yet another lie exposed...
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
BTW - Good luck raising those kids to believe that winning is the only way. Just forget about teaching them sportsmanship and the like. They will do just fine.
there may not be any "I" in TEAM but there is in WIN!
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Mormon, moron - what's the difference...
There is a big difference if you are a mormon.

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What if someone came in from out of town to watch the game. Is the NHL or Jiri going to pay to fly them back in and put them up for the night so that they can see the game they paid for? I think not!
Knowing the Illich's they would refund that money to the person if they asked.

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They did not need to postpone the game in 1989 when the goalie became a blood fountain, why should they now when a player busted out with a horrible break dance. If only his little piece of cardboard did not get soggy from the frozen water under his feet...
Small difference was that when Malarchuk sliced his throat open they had stopped the bleeding and he skated off the ice with a little help from a trainer. No one wondered if he was dead or alive. When Fisher left the arena he wasn't concious. No one knew until about 35-45 minutes after he collapsed if he was alive or dead, nor did they know if he was even going to make it.

You will probably come back with Chris Pronger's incident while playing the Red Wings when he was hit in the chest with a puck but again he was lucid and talking after he regained conciousness and they never did CPR on him. There is just no compairing those incidents. There has never been a situation in pro hockey where someone was in such need of life saving medical treatment.

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Winning is not the only way, but it is the only outcome you should be happy with. There are winners and losers, there can not and should not be anything in between. If you lose, you figure out what you did wrong and correct it the next time. You do not go out and have a pizza party unless you win the game because it is not OK to lose....
I can agree with that. But again what does that have to do with this conversation?

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Yet another lie exposed...
What can I say I can't help myself. It's just too easy to point out all the BS you spew.
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
There is a big difference if you are a mormon.
Well I am not so there is not a big difference to me...
Knowing the Illich's they would refund that money to the person if they asked.
Do you really know them?
Small difference was that when Malarchuk sliced his throat open they had stopped the bleeding and he skated off the ice with a little help from a trainer.
Nope they stopped the fountain by putting a towel over it. (I just watched the video again) Yes he skated off under his own power, but when the jugular is cut you can not be certain that the person will live, in fact death can usually be expected within 2 minutes. Besides, Jiri was breathing on his own when he left the building (which was announced in the arena and on TV) so I think it would be just as safe to assume he was OK as it would be to assume that Clint was.
No one wondered if he was dead or alive.
Originally Posted by From an article online:
His throat, carved open by a skate, spewed blood. The Memorial Auditorium ice turned crimson, leaving the mortified crowd to assume the worst.
http://www.emkeonline.com/malarchukbuffnews.html
Originally Posted by from another article
Malarchuk flung off his mask and collapsed to the ice in a pool of his own blood, fearing that he was about to die. He asked the trainer:

"Am I going to live?''

Malarchuk struggled to stay conscious, sensing that if he did pass out he'd never wake up. Aware that his mother had been watching the game on TV, he had an equipment manager call and tell her he loved her. Then he asked for a priest.

Something in his mind was telling him to get off the ice, "because I didn't want to die on the ice. I was saying prayers. I was scared."

"I did think I was done," said Malarchuk 13 years later, "Somewhere I'd heard that if you cut your jugular vein you've got a matter of minutes, like three minutes. I was going through the minutes preparing to die. I thought I had just three minutes to live and I've got a lot of repenting to do in three minutes."


The sight was so grizzly that 2 spectators suffered heart attacks and 3 of Malarchuk's teammates vomited while still on the ice.

It was estimated that if the skate hit 1/8 inch higher on Malarchuk's jugular, he would have been dead within 2 minutes. In the dressing room and on his way to the hospital, doctors spent 90 minutes and used over 300 stitches to close the wound.

http://thestateofhockey.net/forums/l....php/t881.html

Looks like at least some people thought he was a goner... 3 team mates blew chunks on the ice, they scraped that up also and continued to play. I did not see anyone vomit on the ice last night so I would say that the player's reaction was worse in 1989, yet they still able to man up and play on. I guess the current players and administration of the league just aren't what they used to be...

When Fisher left the arena he wasn't concious. No one knew until about 35-45 minutes after he collapsed if he was alive or dead, nor did they know if he was even going to make it.
Alive or dead, I bet he would have wanted the game to go on...
You will probably come back with Chris Pronger's incident while playing the Red Wings when he was hit in the chest with a puck but again he was lucid and talking after he regained conciousness and they never did CPR on him. There is just no compairing those incidents. There has never been a situation in pro hockey where someone was in such need of life saving medical treatment.
So what, no matter what happened the show must go on. The fact that they called the game and are going to reschedule it for later paints a grim picture of the pussification of America...
What can I say I can't help myself. It's just too easy to point out all the BS you spew.
When are you going to start doing that?

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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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I remember that game actually and they probably would have stopped that game if it happened today. But the fact that he skated off under his own power (albeit with a little help) influenced that decision a bit I bet, not to mention it was probably alot easier for teamates to cope knowing he never lost conciousness.

Also the Predators had just attended the memorial to Zholtok who collapsed and died in Latvia during a game so I am sure that factored into the decision a little bit.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with postponing the game. I would also say that 99.8 percent of people that were at that game see nothing wrong with it. It is just a game and somethings are just more important.

Why does it matter to you though? Hockey is still the toughest damn sport out there. No one in any other sport takes 10 stitches in the face and come back to play the next period. You should start writing the NHL if you are that upset about what the game has become, I think it's great, although I am not too happy about OLN carrying the games and how they cut to commercial during fights. But other than that I can't complain.

BTW - Who do you guys root for out there, seriously? San Jose?

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Do you really know them?
Actually I have met them, but I wouldn't say I know them. I was speaking in terms of what good owners they are and the things they have done for Detroit in general. Knowing the kindness they display towards others I guess is how I should have put that.

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When are you going to start doing that?
When you stop making asinine statements I will give it a shot, deal?

Thanks for the debate. Made work go by super fast.......
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverScoober02
I remember that game actually and they probably would have stopped that game if it happened today. But the fact that he skated off under his own power (albeit with a little help) influenced that decision a bit I bet, not to mention it was probably alot easier for teamates to cope knowing he never lost conciousness.
But he lost a lot of his blood and nobody knew if he was dead or alive until after the game.
Also the Predators had just attended the memorial to Zholtok who collapsed and died in Latvia during a game so I am sure that factored into the decision a little bit.
Because they can not focus on the task at hand. If more poeple would just do their job instead of looking for every excuse not to, this country would be so much better off.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with postponing the game. I would also say that 99.8 percent of people that were at that game see nothing wrong with it. It is just a game and somethings are just more important.
Again people should do their job. If you can not handle violence and injury/possible death you should not be watching or playing hockey.
Why does it matter to you though? Hockey is still the toughest damn sport out there. No one in any other sport takes 10 stitches in the face and come back to play the next period.
They used to play first and get stitches after the game. And I never said it was not a tough sport but let them play and let them fight. Suspending a player and hitting the coach with a fine if a player starts a fight in the last 5 minutes of the game = pussification. The game is on a downward slide on a slippery slope right now. Removing the 2 line pass eliminated a lot of the open ice hits - one of the best parts of the game. The hip check is now a clipping penalty. The goaltender is not allowed to play the puck in the corners. The game has changed for the worse. THe only good thing they did was bring back the delayed off sides - but then again that never should have gone away in the first place...
You should start writing the NHL if you are that upset about what the game has become, I think it's great, although I am not too happy about OLN carrying the games and how they cut to commercial during fights. But other than that I can't complain.
Sounds like a valid complaint to me. I do not watch the games on OLN if I can ata ll avoid it for that very reason.
BTW - Who do you guys root for out there, seriously? San Jose?
I go to Sharks games and used to have season tix when I lived in San Jose - I got to skate with the players a few times and have a game worn autographed McSorley jersey and a playoff game autographed Kelly Hrudey goal stick as well because my boss at the time was good friends with one of the equipment managers at the time.

Personally I grew up in LA and am first and foremost a LA Kings fan (Pre Gretzky era FWIW)
Actually I have met them, but I wouldn't say I know them. I was speaking in terms of what good owners they are and the things they have done for Detroit in general. Knowing the kindness they display towards others I guess is how I should have put that.
So you have no idea if they would pay people's travel expenses - come on get real and admit that you know they wouldn't
When you stop making asinine statements I will give it a shot, deal?
I will never stop doing that especially when I am right!
Thanks for the debate. Made work go by super fast.......
Cool! I did not know that the McDonalds cash registers had internet access...
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Cool! I did not know that the McDonalds cash registers had internet access...
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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But he lost a lot of his blood and nobody knew if he was dead or alive until after the game.
The fans didn't know if he was dead or alive, which I am sure they announced soon after, just like they did in this case.

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Because they can not focus on the task at hand. If more poeple would just do their job instead of looking for every excuse not to, this country would be so much better off.
C'mon man, comparing a game and the countries woes is a bit much.

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Again people should do their job. If you can not handle violence and injury/possible death you should not be watching or playing hockey.
Agreed, but it wasn't anything hockey related that directly caused the problem which made it ten times worse for the players in the game.

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They used to play first and get stitches after the game.
No they didn't. Sure if it wasn't that bad they may put a butterfly on it and stitch it up after the game, but if it was a good enough cut they would stitch it up and then play.

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Suspending a player and hitting the coach with a fine if a player starts a fight in the last 5 minutes of the game = pussification. The game is on a downward slide on a slippery slope right now. Removing the 2 line pass eliminated a lot of the open ice hits - one of the best parts of the game. The hip check is now a clipping penalty. The goaltender is not allowed to play the puck in the corners. The game has changed for the worse. THe only good thing they did was bring back the delayed off sides - but then again that never should have gone away in the first place...
Yes....but I kinda like the fact that the goalie can't play the puck in the corners. If they let him play it in the corners he should be fair game for checks.

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Sounds like a valid complaint to me. I do not watch the games on OLN if I can ata ll avoid it for that very reason.
Don't watch OLN - they suck.....

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I go to Sharks games and used to have season tix when I lived in San Jose - I got to skate with the players a few times and have a game worn autographed McSorley jersey and a playoff game autographed Kelly Hrudey goal stick as well because my boss at the time was good friends with one of the equipment managers at the time.

Personally I grew up in LA and am first and foremost a LA Kings fan (Pre Gretzky era FWIW)
So the whole McSorley/Brashear thing probably pissed you of, eh? On a good note it probably made that jersey worth a little bit more than it ever would be otherwise...

I'd like to say I have season tickets but I don't. There is a seven year waiting list to get them in Detroit. I get to games as much as I can which usually means 10-15 times a year. Saw the Blues-Wings on Saturday night actually (man did we suck that night)

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So you have no idea if they would pay people's travel expenses - come on get real and admit that you know they wouldn't
You're probably right, they wouldn't. But I wouldn't put it past them....


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Cool! I did not know that the McDonalds cash registers had internet access...
Actually it's Burger King, and yes they do. Very technologically advanced at the BK lounge.....
Old Nov 22, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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The fans didn't know if he was dead or alive, which I am sure they announced soon after, just like they did in this case.
Nope it was not announced until after the game. All they said was that he was in the hospital being attended to at the time.
C'mon man, comparing a game and the countries woes is a bit much.
Life is but a game and every action taken has a trickle down effect on the the next link in the chain.
Agreed, but it wasn't anything hockey related that directly caused the problem which made it ten times worse for the players in the game.
It still happened as part of the game. They should have been focused on the game at hand and if the direct cause had nothing to do with the game it should not have even registered on their radar.
No they didn't. Sure if it wasn't that bad they may put a butterfly on it and stitch it up after the game, but if it was a good enough cut they would stitch it up and then play.
They would get attention when the play was over. Many players have scored goals and finished plays with blood streaming down their faces. Now if a player even thinks he got cut he stops skating and crys to the ref.
Yes....but I kinda like the fact that the goalie can't play the puck in the corners. If they let him play it in the corners he should be fair game for checks.
I would give you that as long as any player that hits a goaltender is fair game for the hardest, dirtiest and most brutal hit after he touches the goaltender - I am talking sticks to the jaw and skate blates to the neck. Are you willing to give me that?

Goalies need to be protected because they need to play to stay sharp. They are on the ice for the entire game and with all the equipment they wear they can not move as fast to avoid hits. The way players are running goaltenders now and the number of injured goaltenders at this point in the season is alarming.
So the whole McSorley/Brashear thing probably pissed you of, eh? On a good note it probably made that jersey worth a little bit more than it ever would be otherwise...
I hate Brashear with a passion. That chicken **** will always start something but is never willing to finish it. While I am bummed that McSorley ended a great career the way he did, I think Donald got off easy.

Marty is and always will be my favorite player to ever stop on the ice, I wore 33 when I played because of him and he will always have my respect. Unless of course he becomes a Catholic priest and starts effing little boys in the ***. That would be going too far...

Moore had it coming also. If he had manned up, faced Bertuzzi and fought he would still be playing today.
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We are never going to agree on the Fischer thing so we should just agree to disagree. But it seems that we do agree on alot of things. I agree on the McSorley/Brashear thing and on the Bertuzzi/Moore thing.

I guess if you compare todays NHL with Gordie Howe's NHL the toughness factor doesn't even compare. But then you look at any other sport in comparison and everything else, how did you say....is major pussification. I mean if you get a hangnail in baseball you are on the 15 day DL for god sakes, I don't even want to get into fouls in Basketball....

I'm just glad hockey is back because curling just wasn't doing it for me...
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