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Old May 10, 2005 | 06:14 PM
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I simply do not believe you, and I do not think any of the rest of the SRIC retard crew does either.
I'm sorry that you don't believe me, but if you knew me personally you'd know that I am a very honest and up front person.

Yeah, yeah, sure - DeltaDash did not pick it up but your built in knock sensor ears did...
DeltaDash picked it up just fine as is evident in the knock correction curve. If you don't believe what I said about the knock signal field in DD, go to ecutek's forums and do a search... the information is widely available which confirms that the knock signal field is useless in DD.

It was that you convinced him there was a serious problem when there was not. Things may not have been perfect (I do not know) but those DD logs you posted did not scream out [fast and furious]Danger to Manifold[/fast and furious] to me.
I didn't convince Keegan of anything. I showed him exactly what his ECU was doing. BTW, the ECU having to pull up to 10 degrees of timing in response to knock is indeed a serious problem and deffinately not something that should be ignored.

What I saw from the data was that DD did not pick up any knock. Sure I am not a professional tuner and may have missed something here, but I still just do not see knock taking place. Hell even stock my car would knock from time to time and I could see the ECU constantly learning and adjusting for the varying conditions - that is part of the adaptive learning - the ECU will always push the limits to make as much power as it can without blowing the motor up. If there was serious knock it would have showed up in the logs and the AM would not have been pegged at 16.
You keep saying that you do not see the knock in the logs, but you still don't fully understand how to determine if knock had occured. And as I said in the original thread, the IAM being stuck at 16 doesn't mean that serious knock is not occuring. If that knock occures outside of the load or RPM range of the IAM learning, it will not cause the IAM to adjust. Simple as that.

What I understand here is that the logs did not pick up any detonation. I just do not beleive that every time the car knocked DD was sampling another sensor. If that was the case why not run a log that only showed the knock detection and prove that the car was knocking. As it stands, I do not see knock and I have not heard anyone but you say that serious knock was present.
It has nothing to do with DD polling another sensor, it has to do with the data rate of the protocol. The knock needs to occure at exactly the same time as the data sample is being collected by the ECU to be sent to DD. And again, I don't ask that you take my word for this, go on ecutek's forums and find out for yourself. You say yourself that you're not an expert on this, so consult with some experts that you believe before comming to your own assumptions. BTW, I'm sure Nate will tell you the same thing about the knock signal field.
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:15 PM
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BLAH BLAH BLAH.>>>DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA

Sooooooooooooooooooooo Ed whens the next hot dog in the park/Road dyno day????

I'm sure a few of us here would like to atend.

Old May 10, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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yes, keegans car is in fact running less timing in the tuned maps. it is also running higher boost and mass air flow as well as a bit less fuel than the stock maps. of course the stock logs show more timing throughout the entire rpm range.

ecutek states that the normal range of knock correction values is -3 to +12. i didn't see anything in keegans logs out of that range.

i know from personal experience havign run an S-S tuned ecu that if there's even a hint of knock (from bad gas, heat soak, whatever) that the IAM will plummet.
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:30 PM
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Common dude, stickers have everything to do with tuning, they add the extra HP. Really, you have a picture of my broken taillight. Well it's not really broken because I have that tape over it.
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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what cracks me up is that ed is a ****ing kid.. look man if you want to run a ****ing buisness then run a ****ing buisness and stop trying to **** talk..

Bidness men dont **** talk infront of customers, its bad for bidness..

I suggest you drop the **** out of the fortran classes you are taking and head over to the bidness buildings and take a few lessons there..

Seriously man you are coming off as the summers eve econo pack i called you out as..


Dont make my label come true man.. seriously..

have SOME ****ING COMMON ****ING SENSE DOUCHE
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RussB
yes, keegans car is in fact running less timing in the tuned maps. it is also running higher boost and mass air flow as well as a bit less fuel than the stock maps. of course the stock logs show more timing throughout the entire rpm range.

ecutek states that the normal range of knock correction values is -3 to +12. i didn't see anything in keegans logs out of that range.

i know from personal experience havign run an S-S tuned ecu that if there's even a hint of knock (from bad gas, heat soak, whatever) that the IAM will plummet.
I'm not comparing his tuned timing to the timing in the stock map. I'm pointing out that sudden dips on the knock correction values in his tuned logs show signs of excessive knock. On top of that, the fine learning table shows that the ECU had to pull up to 10 degrees of timing to stop knock while the IAM remains at 16.
I'm not sure where you got that info about knock correction values, but negative knock correction, especially while the IAM is stuck at 16, deffinately signals a problem.
The fact that your tune works well says nothing about Keegan's car. Every car is different and every custom tune is different. In this case there is obviously a problem.
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Old May 10, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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only problem i see is a socialy retarded cs major trying to operate a buisness out of his dorm room.

Get a ****ing clue dip ****, you could be the ****ing second coming of jessus himself but if you act like a kunt you will be treated like a kunt..

Let me guess you were the retard in high school that got beat up by all the chess club nerds...
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RussB
logging the knock sensor really is a waste of time and computer resources... i can dig up logs of my own car where the sensor would register a knock and the knock correction and timing values would not waver, and i can also dig up logs where the knock sensor registers no knock but everything else indicates there was knock (fall in IAM being the biggest indicator).
There you go.... maybe Ali can believe it when its comming from one of his friends.
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:50 PM
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Hey you didnt hide the string from your tampon to well.. its poking out of your hot pants..
Old May 10, 2005 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
There you go.... maybe Ali can believe it when its comming from one of his friends.
But your logs do not match up with the key point of Russ's post - fall in IAM being the biggest indicator of knock.

So you have painted yourself right in to a corner again...
Old May 10, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Since you are in this thread ed. i thought i would link you to another thread i think you would be interested in

https://www.i-club.com/forums/sacramento-reno-116/attn-douche-ed-eq-err-jiffy-tune-98858/

Please feel free to explain your self on that thread... as i can not wait to hear what you have to say about it...



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Old May 10, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
I'm not sure where you got that info about knock correction values, but negative knock correction, especially while the IAM is stuck at 16, deffinately signals a problem.
i got the information here: http://www.ecutek.com/tuning/diagnostics/

i believe this to be a credible and neutral source.

Originally Posted by Ecutek Website
Knock Correction:

The number of degrees added or subtracted from the ignition timing based on the amount of knock detected. Positive values are ignition advance (due to the absence of knock). Negative values are ignition retard (due to the presence of knock). These ECUs run active knock correction, and it is quite normal to see -3 to + 12 degrees of correction. Maximum power is produced on the point of knock beginning, and the sensor is there to keep the timing 'on the edge'. Some ECUs run more aggressive knock correction than others. E.g. 1999/2000 model year turbo ECUs only run 1-2 degree positive values, whereas 2001-2003 ECUs may run much more than this.
Old May 10, 2005 | 07:44 PM
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not to mention knock sensors are far from super accurate...
Old May 10, 2005 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RussB
i got the information here: http://www.ecutek.com/tuning/diagnostics/

i believe this to be a credible and neutral source.
:rotfl:

I'm sorry, but that **** is ownage right there. Ed, give up.



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