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05-10-2005, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
I meant tuning in general and the ECU in general.
05-10-2005, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Been there done that. If you can't see that the logs that Keegan posted
show that detonation occured, you really need to read up on DD logs and the way the ECU works in general.
But hey... don't take my word for it. Go talk to any other tuner and ask them to analyze those logs. Even Nate finally agreed that the logs show knock. Time to hit the books Ali.
05-10-2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Hi Russ.
Nice to see I'm not the only target of Ali's attacks. Maybe we should start the "I got E-Thugge'd by Ali G" support group and share our stories of unfounded attacks over the internet. Probably too much time to waste on an idiot like Ali though...
Nice to see I'm not the only target of Ali's attacks. Maybe we should start the "I got E-Thugge'd by Ali G" support group and share our stories of unfounded attacks over the internet. Probably too much time to waste on an idiot like Ali though...
btw, i put down some good numbers on topnotch's mom last night:
05-10-2005, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RussB
actually i consider it an honor that ali g took the time to send me a love note...
btw, i put down some good numbers on topnotch's mom last night:
btw, i put down some good numbers on topnotch's mom last night:
05-10-2005, 04:52 PM
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You guys suck 
Just because your moms aren't as cool as mine, doesn't give you the right to use my mom. That's straight up rude and disrespectful.
Just because your moms aren't as cool as mine, doesn't give you the right to use my mom. That's straight up rude and disrespectful.
05-10-2005, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by topnotchwrx
You guys suck
Just because your moms aren't as cool as mine, doesn't give you the right to use my mom. That's straight up rude and disrespectful.
Just because your moms aren't as cool as mine, doesn't give you the right to use my mom. That's straight up rude and disrespectful.
are you saying you want to keep her all to yourself???!
where am i? west virigina!?
05-10-2005, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Disastorpasztor
are you saying you want to keep her all to yourself???!
where am i? west virigina!?
where am i? west virigina!?
I'm going to even it up a little here. Everybody is doggin on Ed and I see it as not fair. So in his defense I have this to say, Ali G next time I see you at a meet, boy will I yell at you and prove to you that road tuning works. I will also make fun of the stickers you have on your car because thats why you cant see road tuning as a future in your car. All those stickers create even more variables in tuning because of the extra weight.
05-10-2005, 05:12 PM
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Ali,
You saying this repeatadly is not going to make it true no matter how hard you try. So give it up.
Maybe if you read the SS thread more closely instead of throwing out any accusations you can think of, you would have seen that I answered that question several times...
I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up if you keep making it clear that you're not accusing me of it.
I still don't understand what actions show that I'm not trustworthy. Was it when I showed Keegan exactly what his ECU was doing, or was it when I was forced to step in to deffend my data against your allegations?
I'm not asking for the benefit of the doubt. I'm simply presenting data. I understand that sometimes its hard to accept data that may speak poorly of your favorite shop, but that doesn't mean you should just ignore it and try to discredit it with no basis instead of trying to take the time to understand it.
This has really gotten out of hand and beyond what it needs to be. If you really doubt my diagnosis of the logs so much, I'd be willing to meet up with you so I can explain in detail how the active ignition system works. I don't mean this as an insult, but rather as a serious offer. Believe me or don't, up to you, but atleast take some time to try to understand the logs.
Originally Posted by Ali G
Correction, the logs you posted through Keegan
So where the "knock signal" = 0 shows knock is happening? Or are you talking about the fine learning table where it showed evidence that knock had happened in the past?
Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
The knock signal as reported by DD is a bit misleading and useless most of the time. The only time DD will report a knock signal of 1 is if the knock occured at EXACTLY the same time that that data sample was recorded. Considering the data capture rate of DD and how quickly a knock occures, it is very unlikely that DD will catch a knock occuring exactly as its recording its data sample. Unfortunately the subaru ECU does not buffer the knock signal field until a data sample is collected. If it did, it would store a 1 untill DD recorded a data sample and then clear it right after. That would make it a very useful part of the log to examine and would basically give the functionality of a knock link. Without that, it is necessary to analyse the KC curve to determine if and when knock is occuring.
As I said before I could make any map knock through user tuning. no, I am not saying you did this or did not do this so wash the sand out of your mangina before you go on the defensive again or I will start to beleive that you actually did do this.
All I am saying is that your actions have shown that you are not trustworthy and I am not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
I'm not asking for the benefit of the doubt. I'm simply presenting data. I understand that sometimes its hard to accept data that may speak poorly of your favorite shop, but that doesn't mean you should just ignore it and try to discredit it with no basis instead of trying to take the time to understand it.
This has really gotten out of hand and beyond what it needs to be. If you really doubt my diagnosis of the logs so much, I'd be willing to meet up with you so I can explain in detail how the active ignition system works. I don't mean this as an insult, but rather as a serious offer. Believe me or don't, up to you, but atleast take some time to try to understand the logs.
05-10-2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Ali,
You saying this repeatadly is not going to make it true no matter how hard you try. So give it up.
Maybe if you read the SS thread more closely instead of throwing out any accusations you can think of, you would have seen that I answered that question several times...
I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up if you keep making it clear that you're not accusing me of it.
I still don't understand what actions show that I'm not trustworthy. Was it when I showed Keegan exactly what his ECU was doing, or was it when I was forced to step in to deffend my data against your allegations?
I'm not asking for the benefit of the doubt. I'm simply presenting data. I understand that sometimes its hard to accept data that may speak poorly of your favorite shop, but that doesn't mean you should just ignore it and try to discredit it with no basis instead of trying to take the time to understand it.
This has really gotten out of hand and beyond what it needs to be. If you really doubt my diagnosis of the logs so much, I'd be willing to meet up with you so I can explain in detail how the active ignition system works. I don't mean this as an insult, but rather as a serious offer. Believe me or don't, up to you, but atleast take some time to try to understand the logs.
You saying this repeatadly is not going to make it true no matter how hard you try. So give it up.
Maybe if you read the SS thread more closely instead of throwing out any accusations you can think of, you would have seen that I answered that question several times...
I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up if you keep making it clear that you're not accusing me of it.
I still don't understand what actions show that I'm not trustworthy. Was it when I showed Keegan exactly what his ECU was doing, or was it when I was forced to step in to deffend my data against your allegations?
I'm not asking for the benefit of the doubt. I'm simply presenting data. I understand that sometimes its hard to accept data that may speak poorly of your favorite shop, but that doesn't mean you should just ignore it and try to discredit it with no basis instead of trying to take the time to understand it.
This has really gotten out of hand and beyond what it needs to be. If you really doubt my diagnosis of the logs so much, I'd be willing to meet up with you so I can explain in detail how the active ignition system works. I don't mean this as an insult, but rather as a serious offer. Believe me or don't, up to you, but atleast take some time to try to understand the logs.
05-10-2005, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
Ali,
You saying this repeatadly is not going to make it true no matter how hard you try. So give it up.
You saying this repeatadly is not going to make it true no matter how hard you try. So give it up.
Maybe if you read the SS thread more closely instead of throwing out any accusations you can think of, you would have seen that I answered that question several times...
I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up if you keep making it clear that you're not accusing me of it.
I still don't understand what actions show that I'm not trustworthy. Was it when I showed Keegan exactly what his ECU was doing, or was it when I was forced to step in to deffend my data against your allegations?
I'm not asking for the benefit of the doubt. I'm simply presenting data. I understand that sometimes its hard to accept data that may speak poorly of your favorite shop, but that doesn't mean you should just ignore it and try to discredit it with no basis instead of trying to take the time to understand it.
This has really gotten out of hand and beyond what it needs to be. If you really doubt my diagnosis of the logs so much, I'd be willing to meet up with you so I can explain in detail how the active ignition system works.
I don't mean this as an insult, but rather as a serious offer. Believe me or don't, up to you, but atleast take some time to try to understand the logs.
What I understand here is that the logs did not pick up any detonation. I just do not beleive that every time the car knocked DD was sampling another sensor. If that was the case why not run a log that only showed the knock detection and prove that the car was knocking. As it stands, I do not see knock and I have not heard anyone but you say that serious knock was present.
Originally Posted by topnotchwrx
you do know that if you met up with him, he would take a picture of you and make fun of you even more right?
I may place a candified object on Mike's person for an award at some point though because that picture he posed for makes it just too damn easy...
05-10-2005, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by topnotchwrx
Ali G next time I see you at a meet, boy will I yell at you and prove to you that road tuning works.
I will also make fun of the stickers you have on your car because thats why you cant see road tuning as a future in your car.
All those stickers create even more variables in tuning because of the extra weight.
I never said road tuning was bad, just that I would prefer to be tuned on the dyno because it is safer for all parties involved and even those innocent bystanders and fellow commuters that are not involved...
And to think I did not post the picure I took of your broken tail light as you drove off. I wonder if a piece of candy would fit in there... heh!
05-10-2005, 05:58 PM
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logging the knock sensor really is a waste of time and computer resources... i can dig up logs of my own car where the sensor would register a knock and the knock correction and timing values would not waver, and i can also dig up logs where the knock sensor registers no knock but everything else indicates there was knock (fall in IAM being the biggest indicator).