Brfatal

It depends on what the repair is and how mod friendly the dealer is, though on some repairs the dealership has no say in whether something will be covered or not. But, hundreds of stage 2 owners over the years disagree with your blanket statement having been turned away.

Vladi

iTrader: (29)

John - I hear you loud and clear buddy. But unless you have personally have had warranty claims voided, or personally know someone that has been, then its just a conspiracy theory. We can talk about those all day long, and nothing will come of it.
Of course Cobb wants to cover themselves in the event of any type of allegations that their product negatively affected someone's car. And of course they want to sell as much of their product as possible. And of course Subaru wants to deter as many people as possible from modding their cars. So each of the companies makes these types of statements that neither confirm anything nor deny anything. (and by Subaru statements I mean "we have magical technology that will go in and detect everything you've ever done to the car" )

The bottom line is that each uses common sense. If the car is modded and beat down, they will simply deny your warranty claim. Whether it had a crapcessport married to it at some time won't change that outcome much.

I like how many OEM Subaru maps are unsafe and in some instances a custom stage1 map not only improves performance and efficiency, but actually keeps the engine running safer.

So you refute his blanket statement with another blanket statement. Brilliant

Brfatal

I was done with the thread since you're stuck in that mindset without real experience on the matter, but this line has me curious. What blanket statement did I make?

Max Xevious

iTrader: (8)

one thing that will put this argument to rest will be when CA goes to the new "plug and smog" later this year.

If there is any way to tell that the map has been altered from stock, CARB will be the people that would be able to figure that out. We should start hearing about people failing smog by the end of the year if they can detect it.

But you have to admit, COBB *has* to say that you cannot detect it. The cigarette company argument is a perfect analogy

pho_shizzle

iTrader: (17)

All changes to the ecu is data-logged........ whether with a lot of log info or not..... it is still recorded.

Vladi

iTrader: (29)

You weren't done. You're never done. You have to have the last word despite having nothing of substance to add to this thread.

If you cannot read what I quoted and comprehend how that's a silly blanket statement then I'm not sure I can help you.

Funny you mention real experience: you're the one claiming to have some when you clearly know nothing, whatsoever, about mapping ecu's or passing the OBD/Ecu scan with one.

You are regurgitating "from the horses mouth" remember?

Does the fact that said cars pass smog currently, without a single issue (many on e85, with mods, some catless even) help? I think so.

Its not about telling if the map on the car is altered, that's the easy part. Its about telling if it was altered before, then switched back to completely OEM. And currently subaru ecu's do not support this. There are quite a few cars that do, some BMW's, Audis, etc. So I agree its possible and will possibly happen on future subarus, but it hasn't yet.

As for that last part: I agree with both you and John. I'm not saying its a false statement, I'm saying its not validated by solid facts (IE: people reporting to have had warranty claims voided due to SOA finding out that at some point during the car's lifetime it had a stage1 flash on it). Its just rumors and speculation. All that happened so far is people getting their claims voided based on obvious abuse and modification of the car. The dealership inspected the car and used their common sense.
Show me a car that comes into the dealer bone stock, never ever modded, but had a stg1 tune at some point then reverted back to stock and driven stock for a period of time, and came in to the dealer and SOA or the dealer refused warranty service on it. That's all I'm asking for.

Do you even understand what you're saying? Do you know what a data log is and how its done? Are you referring to a mythical "black box"? I'm pretty sure you are, and I'm pretty sure you're speculating, just like Brfatal.

pho_shizzle

iTrader: (17)

Lol............jeez attacking almost everyone in this thread. Yes I know what I am talking about. There are no black boxes in our cars you know? I just simply stated that activity is being logged. Oh well it really doesn't matter what else is said, this thread already spiraled out of control. Thanks for entertaining I-Crutch.

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