ah. so no wonder why i don't see your car. wait a minute i saw it today under that tree on my way to bld 164. yeah that tree sucks. i parked there my first day when i came in since that is also the vistor area and talk about bird crap and tree litter.

 

this thread is so jacked

 

I know

 

so back on topic.....parking under monkeypod trees suck

 

The STi is great and I myself was seriously considering getting one, but there are a few things that I observed that disuaded me:

1.) I'm not crazy about the oversized hoodscoop or wing...I think the WRX's are more proportional IMHO.

2.) Along with the "good" attention, you will have to be careful about the "bad" attention it will get.

3.) If you change anything from stock on the STi and it's not completely reversible and undetectible, your "STi resale value" will get hurt.

4.) Because of the limited number of STi's and the US only specs, mods for the 2.5 will either be hard to come by, VERY expenisve, or BOTH.

5.) Since I qualify for the Subaru VIP program, the price difference for a WRX for me after taxes is close to $9K with a couple of minor options the STi doesn't have stock.

6.) Modding the WRX will be more "fulfilling" and enjoyable than buying the STi. (again IMHO)

7.) The STi will always have an extra 200 lbs. to carry around

I still think the STi is great for what it is, a powerful, "wow" factor, attention getting car that I'm sure is a blast to drive. The WRX is just a better package in my case. But that's just me......YMMV.....especially depending on your reasons and motives for buying the STi....

Dtech

 

1. You get used to it, much the same that you have to with the WRX. The point of the scoop is function. More air to cool the charge air in the IC. Just the same on the WRX, in order to get more cool air, you purchase and install the bigger WRX hoodscoop.

2. Apply your argument to any more expensive car. You're saying you won't buy a car because it looks good or creates envy in others.

3. Same goes with the WRX resale value. Why mod, then?

4. That's yet to be seen, and there is potential, but we don't yet know if the STI will only be available in limited numbers.

5. Good for you. Point? Wouldn't you agree that the price differential is propertional to value difference?

6. Huh?

7. So?

 

Very good point.

 

better point.


It is so obvious when people that have no clue WTF they are talking about, try and talk about cars they've never owned, driven, ... or even seen in person.
Miami must have warped his brain.

 

First of all, I did support the STi with positive statements.

Thought I'd stop in here since Hawaii was the first to get the STi (we just got some here in Florida a few days ago) and this discussion was about the differences between a WRX and an STi. Thought it might help some people in my position.

All those statements were clearly IMHO and/or observations, not meant as put downs. I thought that was clear.

I'm sure you can get used to it, but it is ok for some of us not to want to have to get use to the larger scoop, looking both from the inside and the outside.

No, I'm saying that given the newness of the STi and it's "reputation", specs, and hardware, you will get added attention, both positive and negative until the newness wears off. Then again, it might not.

Given the STi's limited production (relative to the WRX), the "collector value" and general desireability in the used car market will be hurt more by modding it. Modding a WRX will hurt it's value, but proportionally less and it has no intrinsic "collector value" to hurt like the STi.

[QUOTE4. That's yet to be seen, and there is potential, but we don't yet know if the STI will only be available in limited numbers.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough....but you heard it here first.

That all depends on what you want out of a WRX or an STi. I did say that the STi is an exceptional package, and it is priced competitively for what it offers, but it doesn't mean that you can't get the same performance satisfaction out of a WRX without having to spend the full difference I'm saving or even close to it.

6.) Modding the WRX will be more "fulfilling" and enjoyable than buying the STi. (again IMHO) Seemed pretty self explanatory to me. Let me explain it. I believe that modding a WRX will be more enjoyable in the long run TO ME than just buying the performace of the Sti from the dealer. I like working on my cars as part of the ownership experience.


Again, it's just a basic observation. But if want want some significance put to it that wasn't obvious: Take two cars, both with the same or very similar amount of horsepower/torque (Modded WRX vs. stock STi) and similar traction capabilities, now make one 200lbs. heavier. You do the math. And yes, you could just say So? again to this, but I suspect that part of the reason a person buys the STi is for the performance and not just to have a bigger hood scoop and wing. The added weight does make a difference in certain circumstance.

These are just sincere rebuttals with a little sarcasm thrown in for good measure , but not meant as personal attacks except for the response to Nolimit below.


[QUOTE]It is so obvious when people that have no clue WTF they are talking about, try and talk about cars they've never owned, driven, ... or even seen in person.
Miami must have warped his brain.[/QUTOE]

Hey Nolimit, considering you don't know me or my experiences with Subarus, you are wrong on all counts, except for having owned one. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't know WTF they are talking about. It's ok to admit you have a reading comprehension problem. I don't mind explaining my answers further for you. For #6, it's kinda hard not to know what I'm talking about when it's my opinion, and an informed one at that based on my experiences and information. And if you don't understand #7, well I just don't have the time to help you with the basics of automotive physics. With a response like yours, you've done a perfectly good job at making a out of yourself, especially with that Miami comment.


I really hope that STi owners won't turn into elitest "STi Snobs" just because discussions like this might bring up some different points of view that aren't all pro STi.

Bottom line, the WRX and STi are both great cars that both have similar performance capabilities given different levels and types of mods. They just go about them in different ways. In the end aren't we all on the same side?

 

but if you think about it, you will have to spend more money anyway to upgrade, so that just ups the ante. figure, the suspension would have to go since it can't compare to coil-overs. if you up the boost, you will have to buy a front-mount intercooler and bigger turbo as well as engine management. so all in all, i'd say it's a fair trade. also, if you think about, the STi does maybe mid to low 13's stock. as for the WRX, with just a full exhaust system as well as the up-pipe and some type of engine management, they're already doing mid to high 13's and still with the stock turbo. on the track, i'd say it's all up the driver. the STi is a great car and no doubt about it, however, to say that the WRX isn't close to the STi would be an over statement. flame me if you need to, but i'm just being loyal to the WRX, that's all. many people here seem to forget about the WRX, which is the one that started all this evolution vs. STi stuff in the U.S. as well as other companies jumping on the bandwagon like dodge with the SRT. i remember there were many, many people just waiting for the WRX, i mean this thing was selling like hotcakes, and now the STi comes down and now everybody leaves the WRX in the dust. geez, what's next? so many people are selling their WRX's because of the STi. there's too many people jumping ship. is it more of a i got one better than you type of thing.

 

Dtech:
Have you ever thought of becoming a lawyer?

I think you have a very good point

 

hey Dtech, you can suck a nut.
You proved my point even further, though you can't, and may never see it.
Some of the points you tried to make weren't stated as opinions, and you've left out a lot of the costly differences.
but WTF do I care what some dumb *** in FL is posting in OUR forum, I don't.
I think it's More than safe to say that we've seen and felt the differences between the two on the Road and the Track. The ~$6k difference is well worth it.

 

oh, and sorry you didn't catch the sarcasm about Miami, ... I love partying there as much as anywhere else, ... plus checking out all the topless chicks on the beach is cool too.

 

Your're a lost cause. I was expecting intelligent rebuttals or "conversation" either way, which I did indeed get from most other posters. And some of my statements were observations based on my point of view and arguable facts with arguable being the key word. Considering this is a forum for discussing opinions, observations, and "facts", my post was perfectly reasonable and open for discussion. Most people realized that.

You have written plenty of words in your posts, but you have yet to "say" anything other than "I'm right and your wrong" using too many of those words. Pretty childish. I'm perfectly aware of the sarcasm about Miami, it's just you were using the sarcasm to cover up the fact that you've said nothing of substance.

Personal attacks don't bother me, especially when they are as narrow-minded and based on blind personal bias such as yours. And you truely do have some kind of dyslexia, because I wrote $9K difference not 6.

Just quit while you're behind....you'll make yourself out to be less of one.

 

Thanks gt. Naaa....I like doing what I'm doing. Besides, if I was a lawyer, it would mean I would have to deal with more people like Nolimit on a regular basis. LOL