my 06 STI is dead help :( !!!
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Santa Cruz subaru wants to charge me $2000 now to take the heads off the car and check to see if SOA will cover it under warranty. If it is not covered then I have to pay them $2000 out of pocket. Anyone else think this is straight out thievery?
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not trying to start a big argument or anything, but it's not just "her" opinion.
Put it this way...how many people do you know of that have put tunes on their own car from someone else? I know of you, Mazin and Aaron. Aaron sold his car, so that's gone. Mazin had you pull the tune off of his car because of how ****ty it made his car run, he lost to Aaron on the highway... And last, you, and you're engine has blown. I've seen some people do some pretty crazy **** to their stock block, but have it professionally tuned, and haven't had any problems. I told you in the beginning when you put this thing on your car, that your engine would blow...and look at what happened.
Put it this way...how many people do you know of that have put tunes on their own car from someone else? I know of you, Mazin and Aaron. Aaron sold his car, so that's gone. Mazin had you pull the tune off of his car because of how ****ty it made his car run, he lost to Aaron on the highway... And last, you, and you're engine has blown. I've seen some people do some pretty crazy **** to their stock block, but have it professionally tuned, and haven't had any problems. I told you in the beginning when you put this thing on your car, that your engine would blow...and look at what happened.
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not trying to start a big argument or anything, but it's not just "her" opinion.
Put it this way...how many people do you know of that have put tunes on their own car from someone else? I know of you, Mazin and Aaron. Aaron sold his car, so that's gone. Mazin had you pull the tune off of his car because of how ****ty it made his car run, he lost to Aaron on the highway... And last, you, and you're engine has blown. I've seen some people do some pretty crazy **** to their stock block, but have it professionally tuned, and haven't had any problems. I told you in the beginning when you put this thing on your car, that your engine would blow...and look at what happened.
Put it this way...how many people do you know of that have put tunes on their own car from someone else? I know of you, Mazin and Aaron. Aaron sold his car, so that's gone. Mazin had you pull the tune off of his car because of how ****ty it made his car run, he lost to Aaron on the highway... And last, you, and you're engine has blown. I've seen some people do some pretty crazy **** to their stock block, but have it professionally tuned, and haven't had any problems. I told you in the beginning when you put this thing on your car, that your engine would blow...and look at what happened.
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what exactly did you do? It sounds more extreme than what you state you should've removed on the first post. dp, exhaust, intake and flash...
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Oil starvation can be caused by lack of oil coming from the oil pump.
Pick up tube failure, oil pump bypass failure, or lack of oil in the sump.
How much oil was in the sump after seizure?
Have you been adding oil to your car?
The dealer's asking you to sign a Repair Order/ Estimate because that's the law here in California; I can't work on your car until you sign an estimate.
SOA has a warranty procedure for this failure type.
If your motor meets the criteria, you'll pay nothing.
If your motor does not meet accepted failure criteria, you'll pay the dealer or you won't get the car back.
What's the labor rate at the dealer?
Multiply their labor rate by 6.85.
That's how much the estimate should be for.
6.85 is one half of book time for replacing head gaskets, which is the closest job that they're doing.
BTW, did you tune your own car?
Pick up tube failure, oil pump bypass failure, or lack of oil in the sump.
How much oil was in the sump after seizure?
Have you been adding oil to your car?
The dealer's asking you to sign a Repair Order/ Estimate because that's the law here in California; I can't work on your car until you sign an estimate.
SOA has a warranty procedure for this failure type.
If your motor meets the criteria, you'll pay nothing.
If your motor does not meet accepted failure criteria, you'll pay the dealer or you won't get the car back.
What's the labor rate at the dealer?
Multiply their labor rate by 6.85.
That's how much the estimate should be for.
6.85 is one half of book time for replacing head gaskets, which is the closest job that they're doing.
BTW, did you tune your own car?
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about the dealer tell them not to do anywork that is not under waranty. and also ask to speed with someone esle about your waranyy. downpipe and intake is not going to kill your car. in 2002 I killed my wrx's clutch at 32k miles I took it in and they told me because I had 2 inches of mun under my car that they could tell that I was abusing it. Well it took me a few days and calling some Subaru tek guru in husten TX but I finaly got them to replace it. I think if you are a stickler you can make them replace it. remind them howmuch money you spent with them on a car and tell them that you are very involved in the subaru comunity. some dealers just try to get out of little junk because they dont make that much money on it.
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about the dealer tell them not to do anywork that is not under waranty. and also ask to speed with someone esle about your waranyy. downpipe and intake is not going to kill your car. in 2002 I killed my wrx's clutch at 32k miles I took it in and they told me because I had 2 inches of mun under my car that they could tell that I was abusing it. Well it took me a few days and calling some Subaru tek guru in husten TX but I finaly got them to replace it. I think if you are a stickler you can make them replace it. remind them howmuch money you spent with them on a car and tell them that you are very involved in the subaru comunity. some dealers just try to get out of little junk because they dont make that much money on it.
In another life, I used to handle warranty claims for $30k engines.
SOP calls for joint teardown inspection & if the manufacturer screwed up, no cost to owner.
Also, being honest with the dealer is the BEST thing anyone can do.
Lie and you will be caught.
BTW, the dealer will make $$ on this job.
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Okay my only problem is paying $2000 if they deny the warranty claim after tearing down the engine. I have no idea what criteria they would use to determine if the warranty is valid or not so it scares me that they will say tare down the engine and then after that claim my exhaust system caused the fault... I will be short $2000. The service rep said that SOA will look for signs of "negligent driving", what exactly does this mean?
Also no I did not tune my own car. I am not experienced enough to create my own maps nor have I ever claimed to do that. I had an XPT Stage 2 map loaded. (You can find these maps at www.xpttuning.com/xptstore/). I would equate it to loading a Stage 2 AP map. What I did after loading this map was log the ECU doing 3d and 4th gear runs and sent it back to XPT (ev8siv) to confirm that everything was working fine. There is a growing group of people that use the XPT maps without fault.
edit: this is exact map I have:
http://www.plasmatize.com/xptstore/i...12e9044676edac
Also no I did not tune my own car. I am not experienced enough to create my own maps nor have I ever claimed to do that. I had an XPT Stage 2 map loaded. (You can find these maps at www.xpttuning.com/xptstore/). I would equate it to loading a Stage 2 AP map. What I did after loading this map was log the ECU doing 3d and 4th gear runs and sent it back to XPT (ev8siv) to confirm that everything was working fine. There is a growing group of people that use the XPT maps without fault.
edit: this is exact map I have:
http://www.plasmatize.com/xptstore/i...12e9044676edac
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After it died on the highway I checked the oil level. It was on the high tab (maybe it didn't settle yet though). There was no leaks on the ground that I saw. I have never added oil to this car, it did not burn much oil to my knowledge. The last oil change on it was about 4 thousand miles ago. I always used mobil1 and subaru filters and I was actually planning to change the oil the same weekend.
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not trying to start a big argument or anything, but it's not just "her" opinion.
Put it this way...how many people do you know of that have put tunes on their own car from someone else? I know of you, Mazin and Aaron. Aaron sold his car, so that's gone. Mazin had you pull the tune off of his car because of how ****ty it made his car run, he lost to Aaron on the highway... And last, you, and you're engine has blown. I've seen some people do some pretty crazy **** to their stock block, but have it professionally tuned, and haven't had any problems. I told you in the beginning when you put this thing on your car, that your engine would blow...and look at what happened.
Put it this way...how many people do you know of that have put tunes on their own car from someone else? I know of you, Mazin and Aaron. Aaron sold his car, so that's gone. Mazin had you pull the tune off of his car because of how ****ty it made his car run, he lost to Aaron on the highway... And last, you, and you're engine has blown. I've seen some people do some pretty crazy **** to their stock block, but have it professionally tuned, and haven't had any problems. I told you in the beginning when you put this thing on your car, that your engine would blow...and look at what happened.
Nick, let me know whats goin on with the car and when you want the obd-II cable back. If you're going to have to shell out $2k to find out they aren't going to cover the warranty why not have a shop like GST or LIC do the work and rebuild the engine?
the other thing that SOA would have to do to deny the warranty (this is if you contested their warranty denial) is that they'd have to prove the exhaust and tune caused the problem
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How many miles on the car?
Do you have receipts for every scheduled oil change indicating date, mileage, etc.?
Some of the items that the tech will inspect:
1. Condition of the clutch, flywheel, pressure plate.
2. What mod parts are/were installed.
3. General condition of the egine bay.
4. Possibly, the ecu.
Do you have receipts for every scheduled oil change indicating date, mileage, etc.?
Some of the items that the tech will inspect:
1. Condition of the clutch, flywheel, pressure plate.
2. What mod parts are/were installed.
3. General condition of the egine bay.
4. Possibly, the ecu.
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