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Old Dec 15, 2012 | 01:22 PM
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Words from morgan freeman

You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations , sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem.
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 01:41 PM
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^^^ completely agree. The media is a huge problem in this country in general. But we also have to look to the public who watches and buys into this bull**** media. It's time to get back to basic rules of morality and family values that have become nearly non-existent in our society.

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Old Dec 15, 2012 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
I don't claim to be an expert on the constitution and I also don't quote it. I have a hard time believing that you KNOW what our frames had in mind. And even if you are correct about that, do you really believe society should not evolve and improve over the course of 200+ years? Should we also follow every word of the bible to a T? I think that would have some serious ramifications for your personal way of life.

The point I'm making is that your extremist outlook on our society is not doing anyone any good including yourself. Instead of trying to decipher what you THINK our founders meant with a single line of a huge document a long time ago, why not try to look at our world today and think for yourself how to improve it.

-- Ed
and, you think disarming people and taking away the basic right to defend your life, is "progress?"
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning
family values -- Ed
Curious, what you mean by that. Do you imply that anyone who can't/won't have a "family" in the traditional view, should be an outsider and not afforded any consideration?
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Overbear
Curious, what you mean by that. Do you imply that anyone who can't/won't have a "family" in the traditional view, should be an outsider and not afforded any consideration?
Hmm I don't think I said that...

I do think that when people have children they should provide them with a stable, structured, and loving environment, teach them proper morals as well as family values that come with them. If you're not prepared to do those things, don't have a kid.

FYI, there are many definitions of family that I believe to be valid... It doesn't have to be traditional to accomplish the same goals.

-- Ed
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 02:09 PM
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and, you think disarming people and taking away the basic right to defend your life, is "progress?"
Nope I don't think I said that either...

But I am all for disarming extremists who pose a danger to people around them.
I am also for requiring more education, training, and licensing for those who want to take on the responsibility of owning a fire arm. Why in the world is it easier to buy and own a gun than it is to have the right to drive a car?

The same goes for having children. Why is it easier to have and raise a child than to drive a car? People should be educated, trained, and licensed to be able to bring a life into this world that could potentially end many other lives.

-- Ed
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 10:21 PM
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This guy has some pretty good points to this situation... (It's a long video though)


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Old Dec 15, 2012 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Overbear
and, you think disarming people and taking away the basic right to defend your life, is "progress?"
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 10:30 PM
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Saw this on Facebook and thought it was pretty interesting,

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 10:31 PM
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a mother of a kid similar to Adam wrote this

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It's time to talk about mental illness
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by flat489
Saw this on Facebook and thought it was pretty interesting,

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
I read this as well earlier and I think it could not have been said any better.
Old Dec 15, 2012 | 11:21 PM
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this is so ****ed up......

How the hell did the kid even look at his mom and shoot her? Its so devestating..
Old Dec 16, 2012 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by EQ Tuning

The same goes for having children. Why is it easier to have and raise a child than to drive a car? People should be educated, trained, and licensed to be able to bring a life into this world that could potentially end many other lives.

-- Ed

Unfortunately there's no way to regulate people having sex. While making sure parents are rightfully fit to be parents to bring a life into the world, it's impossible to do.
Old Dec 16, 2012 | 01:48 AM
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Anyone ever watch Minority Report? The movie was based on predicting killings before they occur. Or in this sense, taking risk factors and acting before a person committed a crime.

There are two distinct paths with beliefs in mental disorders. One believes in humanity and preserving all forms of life and believes everyone has a shot at being a decent person then you're a believer in pro life, even of those with deranged mental disorders.

The other ideal is to believe in the death penalty and excluding those who are high risk with folks with mental disorders.

Somewhere lies us, or most of us. Where we believe some people are good and some are evil, but we don't resort to extremism for one ideal or the other.

A person could have a mental disorder and show signs, just like the Virginia tech guy and this guy. Do you choose to help them? Do you choose to get rid of them? It's a choice of Darwinism that we think us human can understand. We think people all have a good side even when Johnny here tells us that someone is speaking to him, like the devil, to commit deranged acts.

Why not just dump all humans who have some form of disorders into a death out so everyone on earth is 'sane'? If we choose to protect all humans then we are choosing this grief upon ourselves. Our society won't get rid of or spend the huge amounts of money to monitor and help those who have mental disabilities.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that when people are looking for a reason to why this person has done such horrendous acts its because all the signs were there and we as a society say we can't think of people that way or we choose to ignore. We can help them, there is a lot of money to do so. But we try to pretend they aren't there, for we might be seen to be rude and point them out.

I think with the way out country works, this type of violence, which used to be blowing yourself up wih others, is now taking others with them has evolved and will only get worse. There isn't a way to stop or prevent that person from doing so, but we can give our sane selves a chance to reduce the casualties by giving us a quick means of defending ourselves. Whether we choose to take care or get rid of these mentally insane people, there is a way that innocent people can protect themselves.



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