WARNIG from the Stallions car club....
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I wasn't going to...but ok.
It's easy for you to say that, isn't it? Two quotes come to mind. "Hindsight is 20/20" and "Hindsight is an exact science." Everyone has the opportunity to pick apart every little detail that occurs during a police shooting. Why? Because they have the chance to sit down, read about it, think about it, then decide what should have happened. Do me a favor, read this next part fast:
You see a knife!
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You react.
That's about all the time you get. Life. Death. You. Them. That's it. You get MAYBE 10 seconds. TOPS. This isn't the movies. If I had to decide between trying to aim for someones leg and possibaly getting stabbed by that sharp object they're bringing my way, and double tapping them in the chest so I can see my son tonight? Sorry mates. I'd pop that cap, too. This isn't Hollywood. There aren't long showdowns between good and evil. This is real life.
Also, I would just like to point out that police officers are real people, too. They aren't like you see them on your favorite shows. For every bad cop you can point out, I can give you 50 others that I would take a bullet for. On the cops harassing racers thing? Well, that's a two way door. It can swing either way. Kinda like Zoeb.
josh
How hard is it, when someone is coming toward you with a knife and you feel in danger, to shoot the person in the leg?
You see a knife!
..
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You react.
That's about all the time you get. Life. Death. You. Them. That's it. You get MAYBE 10 seconds. TOPS. This isn't the movies. If I had to decide between trying to aim for someones leg and possibaly getting stabbed by that sharp object they're bringing my way, and double tapping them in the chest so I can see my son tonight? Sorry mates. I'd pop that cap, too. This isn't Hollywood. There aren't long showdowns between good and evil. This is real life.
Also, I would just like to point out that police officers are real people, too. They aren't like you see them on your favorite shows. For every bad cop you can point out, I can give you 50 others that I would take a bullet for. On the cops harassing racers thing? Well, that's a two way door. It can swing either way. Kinda like Zoeb.
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Silver Mojo, no problem...I wasnt directing my comment to anyone specific. We can keep going in that direction...just lets not go over board so as to this thread going bye bye...like you said.
Bottom line is...no one is perfect. As hard as people try...they are going to make mistakes...and react differently. Now if things are delibrately "covered up" so they dont have to face the consequences...thats another story, and is wrong!!!
I dont know if you guys realize this, but it was found that 1 in every 4-5 cars pulled over for "street racing" had drugs and/or weapons in it. Not saying that anyone here has these....but the police dont know that. They are just doing thier job.
I like to get on it ALL THE TIME....but like it was stated...breaking the law is breaking the law. Thats why I am leary about doing it anymore...because I know thats what is being watched for now.
If I go for it, and get pulled over, whether entrapment or not...I have no one to blame but MYSELF!!!
This could go on and on...lets just not get carried aways guys....
-freddie
Bottom line is...no one is perfect. As hard as people try...they are going to make mistakes...and react differently. Now if things are delibrately "covered up" so they dont have to face the consequences...thats another story, and is wrong!!!
I dont know if you guys realize this, but it was found that 1 in every 4-5 cars pulled over for "street racing" had drugs and/or weapons in it. Not saying that anyone here has these....but the police dont know that. They are just doing thier job.
I like to get on it ALL THE TIME....but like it was stated...breaking the law is breaking the law. Thats why I am leary about doing it anymore...because I know thats what is being watched for now.
If I go for it, and get pulled over, whether entrapment or not...I have no one to blame but MYSELF!!!
This could go on and on...lets just not get carried aways guys....
-freddie
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I didnt read all of the post on this thread so please dont flame me.
If a undercover cop car or any car owned by the police in a county revs his car to get you to race is illegal on his part. Its called "Entrapment." Same goes for if they are hidding behind say a building or some bushes that cover the entire car so they are invisible to the road and radar you and try to ticket you. Just raise the BS flag and say entrapment and if they still give you the ticket then its just a hassel but you will not get fined.
If a undercover cop car or any car owned by the police in a county revs his car to get you to race is illegal on his part. Its called "Entrapment." Same goes for if they are hidding behind say a building or some bushes that cover the entire car so they are invisible to the road and radar you and try to ticket you. Just raise the BS flag and say entrapment and if they still give you the ticket then its just a hassel but you will not get fined.
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Originally posted by Musto
I didnt read all of the post on this thread so please dont flame me.
If a undercover cop car or any car owned by the police in a county revs his car to get you to race is illegal on his part. Its called "Entrapment." Same goes for if they are hidding behind say a building or some bushes that cover the entire car so they are invisible to the road and radar you and try to ticket you. Just raise the BS flag and say entrapment and if they still give you the ticket then its just a hassel but you will not get fined.
I didnt read all of the post on this thread so please dont flame me.
If a undercover cop car or any car owned by the police in a county revs his car to get you to race is illegal on his part. Its called "Entrapment." Same goes for if they are hidding behind say a building or some bushes that cover the entire car so they are invisible to the road and radar you and try to ticket you. Just raise the BS flag and say entrapment and if they still give you the ticket then its just a hassel but you will not get fined.
ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.
In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.
In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.
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isnt reving on the car next to you being persuaded ?
I think the cop trying to get you to race meets every point up there ?
The officer was trying to instigate the race, not the person he was trying to race.
I think reving would be considered persuading
If the Officer was not there, there would not been a crime commited
I think the cop trying to get you to race meets every point up there ?
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
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- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
This right here basically sums it up:
there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.
Trust me on this fellaz. Cops do this stuff for a living and they do it nonstop day in and day out. There's loopholes, addendums, suppliments, and exemptions to everything out there. If there's a way to do it, it will be done.
Mind you, I'm not saying this is the best thing the boys in blue have done/are doing. I'm just informing you about what really happens.
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I guess its a pretty grey area thats going to swing on the side of the law enforcement
also, if he revs on you, and you take off, would that be considered "engaging in a contest of speed" ?
would the cop be guilty as well ?
1) why not ?
2) you could get that passed by the smog ref easy
also, if he revs on you, and you take off, would that be considered "engaging in a contest of speed" ?
would the cop be guilty as well ?
So your telling me that my neighbor dropped a GSR engine into his 94 hatchback and got it illeagally smogged just for the track?
2) you could get that passed by the smog ref easy
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Actually Scott, your right. The officer would be guilty of engaging in a speed contest. However, it's one of those gray areas. The law gives officers the power to break the law in order to enfore the law. Ya, I know. It's a conundrum.
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If any of you ever read Jefferson, if a police officer is harassing you unlawfully, he is an agent of an opressive government, and it is your duty as an american to deal with him acordingly. Thats all im saying, and im not conecting that to anything else in this thread, its just something to think about.