Vote For Bush, Get a Draft!
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i got a selective service card when i turned 18. now i am active duty. you guys say you don't want to fight a war. you don't have too. the chance of any war coming up is so slim. you guys need to grow some ***** and understand that it is our right to protect our country. you won't get drafted for soething stupid. and by the reactions i am sad to be protecting a bunch of cryin babies like you. i was over seas diring the war and i did my part while you sat on you @$$ and watched it all pan out on cnn. you are a disgrace. bush is a great president look at what we have been through in the past 4 years. the trade centers what did we do. we took out alkida but let me guess you watched it from the comfort of your own home. it is sad people risk there lifes for people who don't care. i am sad to be in a club with people like this.
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Wow Eric, I can't believe that they would something like you described. That is so hard core! And illegal as hell to boot.
To be honest, I did not vote in 2000. I was in Japan, and did not have a ballot. If I had voted, I must embarrassingly admit that I would have voted for Gore over Bush, but McCain over all.
Since 9-11-2001, I have seen the light. I have realized what traitors the Democrats, and the left really are. They are not leading this country in the right direction. Should the leftists take the reigns of this country, we are in for a world of hurt. Thank goodness the Democratic party, and the left in general are in a state of dissaray. They haven't an ice cubes chance in hell of beating Bush in '04. Especially after the CAPTURE OF SADDAM!!!HOOAH!!!
Wow Eric, I can't believe that they would something like you described. That is so hard core! And illegal as hell to boot.
To be honest, I did not vote in 2000. I was in Japan, and did not have a ballot. If I had voted, I must embarrassingly admit that I would have voted for Gore over Bush, but McCain over all.
Since 9-11-2001, I have seen the light. I have realized what traitors the Democrats, and the left really are. They are not leading this country in the right direction. Should the leftists take the reigns of this country, we are in for a world of hurt. Thank goodness the Democratic party, and the left in general are in a state of dissaray. They haven't an ice cubes chance in hell of beating Bush in '04. Especially after the CAPTURE OF SADDAM!!!HOOAH!!!
Damn right it was illegal and everyone that claimed they were voting against bush felt the wrath. Fortunately, i was a TL and kept my mouth shut and stayed low. To be honest i believe my superior(s) just used it as an excuse to smoke some cherries. I sat quietly in my room drinking and playing video games with a handful of other TL and SqdLdrs. We were in a world of our own and nobody could touch us... Batt Commanders and higher would just ignore our practices because they knew it made everyone "harder". That was nothing compared to our practices when you screwed up in the field.
I was never brainwashed but acted like i was so i could 'survive' in lrsd... you had to or else you'd be another line unit leg. If i was 'brainwashed' then i'd still be in Iraq.
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Originally posted by tk5dan
i turned 18 on saturday and today in the mail came the draft forms
i turned 18 on saturday and today in the mail came the draft forms
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Are you serious? Is it an official draft? Can we say Vietnam all over again...
Are you serious? Is it an official draft? Can we say Vietnam all over again...
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So many of you people are so in the dark about this. It is sad. Every American male must register for the Selective Service when he turns 18, this does not mean that the draft is EVER going to happen again. This is just in case some HUGE conflict starts, the U.S. CAN draft us. There is not a single army on Earth right now that can rival the U.S military. The U.S. is not going to need a draft in order to fight against any terrorist nation and/or force. Shadowcat explained all this draft stuff well on the 2nd page of this thread. Read that before replying. You people have been living in San Fransisco for too long. Your brains have become nothing more than sponges for liberal spin.
As for this war, it has just about as many similarities to Vietnam as Howard Dean does to George Bush. I can explain these differences further upon request.
As for this war, it has just about as many similarities to Vietnam as Howard Dean does to George Bush. I can explain these differences further upon request.
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Originally posted by ihaveadent
So many of you people are so in the dark about this. It is sad. Every American male must register for the Selective Service when he turns 18, this does not mean that the draft is EVER going to happen again. This is just in case some HUGE conflict starts, the U.S. CAN draft us. There is not a single army on Earth right now that can rival the U.S military. The U.S. is not going to need a draft in order to fight against any terrorist nation and/or force. Shadowcat explained all this draft stuff well on the 2nd page of this thread. Read that before replying. You people have been living in San Fransisco for too long. Your brains have become nothing more than sponges for liberal spin.
So many of you people are so in the dark about this. It is sad. Every American male must register for the Selective Service when he turns 18, this does not mean that the draft is EVER going to happen again. This is just in case some HUGE conflict starts, the U.S. CAN draft us. There is not a single army on Earth right now that can rival the U.S military. The U.S. is not going to need a draft in order to fight against any terrorist nation and/or force. Shadowcat explained all this draft stuff well on the 2nd page of this thread. Read that before replying. You people have been living in San Fransisco for too long. Your brains have become nothing more than sponges for liberal spin.
Actualy I have not been living in SF all that long. I have seen enough history and learned a bunch about the war in Vietnam. US never got involved anywhere without a direct financial or political gain. During the Vietnam, official goverment pages stated the reasons for US involvement. Only 5% of the reasoning was to fight communism. Even the WWII, that US claims they won... he he he, was not joined by US untill the battle of Stallingrad at which point they could choose the winning side.
I DON'T AGREE WITH MANY US POLICIES, BUT TO THIS DAY THIS IS THE BEST SYSTEM OUT THERE AND THAT IS WHY I CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE. EVEN THOUGH OTHER PLACES IN THE WORLD ARE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE AND REWARDING.
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Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941 - after this U.S. declares war against Japan, Germany declares war against U.S., U.S. declares war on Germany
Battle of Stalingrad started Aug. 19, 1942
Plus we were already giving Britain equipment from the beginning of the war.
Maybe you are getting America mixed up with Italy.
Yes, the allies won WW2. Are you from Japan? Because if you are saying that Japan won in the long run, they didn't. Everyone thought they were going to win the economic war until the Japanese economy came crashing down in the mid-80s. Modern Japan would be nothing without the U.S, but that is a topic for another debate.
Stopping communism was the point of the Vietnam war although stopping communism was good for American dominance and economic interests. So stopping communism was a triple edged sword.
Battle of Stalingrad started Aug. 19, 1942
Plus we were already giving Britain equipment from the beginning of the war.
Maybe you are getting America mixed up with Italy.
Yes, the allies won WW2. Are you from Japan? Because if you are saying that Japan won in the long run, they didn't. Everyone thought they were going to win the economic war until the Japanese economy came crashing down in the mid-80s. Modern Japan would be nothing without the U.S, but that is a topic for another debate.
Stopping communism was the point of the Vietnam war although stopping communism was good for American dominance and economic interests. So stopping communism was a triple edged sword.
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Hmm.. are the schools today in such bad shape that they aren't teaching Civics, US Government, and US History properly? All this stuff should be common knowledge.
Selective Service has been around for a long time. The scale of the conflicts in the post-Vietnam era have been small compared to Vietnam and previous. In the history of the US, there have been very few drafts, considering the number of conflicts the US was involved with. Just about every generation has had a major conflict of some sort. A draft will happen only when a conflict gets so great that there is a substantial shortage of military personnel to adequately handle it, and not before. No recent foreign conflicts, stability operations, or humanitarian aid operation has needed a draft, even though the Reserves are stretched thin (no snide comments on some downsizing initiative to fund failed healthcare programs
). Aside from this, every male US citizen, upon his 18th birthday, is required by law to register for Selective Service.
Stop worrying about it. As I said, the US military is all volunteer, and I don't expect to see that change, unless some very drastic and serious circumstances come about to cause the US to become involved in multiple miltary actions at the same time to such an extent that the current force structure can't handle it anymore. Until then, I am thankful to have a soldier serving with me who WANTS to serve, not someone who is FORCED to serve.
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Selective Service has been around for a long time. The scale of the conflicts in the post-Vietnam era have been small compared to Vietnam and previous. In the history of the US, there have been very few drafts, considering the number of conflicts the US was involved with. Just about every generation has had a major conflict of some sort. A draft will happen only when a conflict gets so great that there is a substantial shortage of military personnel to adequately handle it, and not before. No recent foreign conflicts, stability operations, or humanitarian aid operation has needed a draft, even though the Reserves are stretched thin (no snide comments on some downsizing initiative to fund failed healthcare programs
). Aside from this, every male US citizen, upon his 18th birthday, is required by law to register for Selective Service.Stop worrying about it. As I said, the US military is all volunteer, and I don't expect to see that change, unless some very drastic and serious circumstances come about to cause the US to become involved in multiple miltary actions at the same time to such an extent that the current force structure can't handle it anymore. Until then, I am thankful to have a soldier serving with me who WANTS to serve, not someone who is FORCED to serve.
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Originally posted by ihaveadent
Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941 - after this U.S. declares war against Japan, Germany declares war against U.S., U.S. declares war on Germany
Battle of Stalingrad started Aug. 19, 1942
Plus we were already giving Britain equipment from the beginning of the war.
Maybe you are getting America mixed up with Italy.
Yes, the allies won WW2. Are you from Japan? Because if you are saying that Japan won in the long run, they didn't. Everyone thought they were going to win the economic war until the Japanese economy came crashing down in the mid-80s. Modern Japan would be nothing without the U.S, but that is a topic for another debate.
Stopping communism was the point of the Vietnam war although stopping communism was good for American dominance and economic interests. So stopping communism was a triple edged sword.
Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941 - after this U.S. declares war against Japan, Germany declares war against U.S., U.S. declares war on Germany
Battle of Stalingrad started Aug. 19, 1942
Plus we were already giving Britain equipment from the beginning of the war.
Maybe you are getting America mixed up with Italy.
Yes, the allies won WW2. Are you from Japan? Because if you are saying that Japan won in the long run, they didn't. Everyone thought they were going to win the economic war until the Japanese economy came crashing down in the mid-80s. Modern Japan would be nothing without the U.S, but that is a topic for another debate.
Stopping communism was the point of the Vietnam war although stopping communism was good for American dominance and economic interests. So stopping communism was a triple edged sword.
Still no matter what lame excuse the goverment comes up with, PEACE can not be achieved with WAR. Military is designed to fight wars. If there are no wars they loose their purpose, so first we create villans and then we fight them. Anything to keep the military busy.
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The military is for defense. Without the military our borders and interests would be unprotected and YOU would not have your freedom. It is okay to be skeptical of the government, but have some respect for those that protect your way of life.
Saddam Hussein was a threat to the freedom of everyone in the world, not to mention a merciless dictator who was on par with Stalin in terms of treatment of his OWN people.
The USSR was an ally in World War II. Democracy vs. Communism did not become an issue until 1948. You need to read up on your history.
Have you been taking history courses taught by one of Lenin's or Stalin's descendents?
Saddam Hussein was a threat to the freedom of everyone in the world, not to mention a merciless dictator who was on par with Stalin in terms of treatment of his OWN people.
The USSR was an ally in World War II. Democracy vs. Communism did not become an issue until 1948. You need to read up on your history.
Have you been taking history courses taught by one of Lenin's or Stalin's descendents?
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I'm not very good with history, and I want to end this discussion before it gets too far. You were almost right. Most of the history I learned was back in the USSR.
There are fine lines between protecting borders and enforcing a certain way of life. I lived in both systems and there is not much difference in the way the goverments brain washes the people here or there.
As far as fairness and threats:
The only country in the world that used a WMD is US.
There are fine lines between protecting borders and enforcing a certain way of life. I lived in both systems and there is not much difference in the way the goverments brain washes the people here or there.
As far as fairness and threats:
The only country in the world that used a WMD is US.
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Originally posted by motorider888
I lived in both systems and there is not much difference in the way the goverments brain washes the people here or there.
As far as fairness and threats:
The only country in the world that used a WMD is US.
I lived in both systems and there is not much difference in the way the goverments brain washes the people here or there.
As far as fairness and threats:
The only country in the world that used a WMD is US.
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